{"id":621412,"date":"2026-10-05T16:00:10","date_gmt":"2026-10-05T16:00:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/621412\/"},"modified":"2026-10-05T16:00:10","modified_gmt":"2026-10-05T16:00:10","slug":"i-spat-in-sean-connerys-face-16-times-ron-perlman-on-making-the-name-of-the-rose-movies","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/621412\/","title":{"rendered":"\u2018I spat in Sean Connery\u2019s face 16 times\u2019: Ron Perlman on making The Name of the Rose | Movies"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Jean-Jacques Annaud, director<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-1s160rg\">I read an article about a curious book that had great reviews in Italy, a murder mystery about monks in the middle ages fighting for the fictional missing part of Aristotle\u2019s Poetics. I said: \u201cThis is for me.\u201d Since childhood, I had been fascinated with medieval and religious architecture, and Aristotle\u2019s Poetics is my favourite literary work.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-1s160rg\">I learned that Umberto Eco, the author, was going to be in France for one night and agreed to meet me at his hotel and that I would drive him to Charles de Gaulle airport. The first thing I saw was his shadow on the hotel staircase, which looked like the silhouette of Sherlock Holmes \u2013 Umberto was a man of great humour, and he met me wearing a deerstalker, with a pipe in his mouth. In the car, I asked questions: what sort of shoes would the Franciscans have been wearing? Would the monks have had beards? What colour would the pigs have been? He said: \u201cI don\u2019t know, I didn\u2019t have to write any of that.\u201d I ended up hiring medievalist <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/books\/2014\/apr\/24\/jacques-le-goff\" data-link-name=\"in body link\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Jacques Le Goff<\/a> and seven of his colleagues to make sure we got all the details right \u2013 costumes, architecture, liturgy and so on.<\/p>\n<p>double quotation markA big piece of timber fell on Feodor. \u2018I\u2019m 80 years old,\u2019 he said, \u2018I don\u2019t mind dying. Was the take good?\u2019<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-1s160rg\">I wanted an unknown to play William of Baskerville, the friar who investigates the deaths, and travelled the world to watch plays featuring great actors in their 50s. Meanwhile, agent Mike Ovitz kept calling, saying: \u201cSean Connery would love to make this movie.\u201d Eventually, there was a knock on my door and I opened it to find Sean with the screenplay under his arm. He said, \u201cListen, boy \u2026\u201d and started reading. I had goose bumps. The way he said the dialogue was exactly what I\u2019d been hearing in my head while reading the book.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-1s160rg\">I flew to Vienna to look at paintings by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/artanddesign\/jonathanjonesblog\/2017\/feb\/09\/pieter-bruegel-the-elder-holburne-museum\" data-link-name=\"in body link\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Bruegel the Elder<\/a>. I wanted to be inspired by the real people of the period, people who had no dentists or doctors, but I did cast some good-looking monks, too. Christian Slater turned up to audition for the young novice, Adso, and said: \u201cI didn\u2019t learn the lines, I got drunk.\u201d The casting director, Mary Jo, was furious and tried to send him away, but he was the one I wanted. He was only 16, but looked 14. It turned out he was Mary Jo\u2019s son. I had three women selected to audition for the part of the nameless girl from the village, but Christian fell in love with the first, Valentina Vargas, as soon as he did a screen test with her, so I never saw the other two.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-1s160rg\">We built a vast set on a hilltop near Rome for the monastery and village. During the scene at the end where the library tower burns, Sean\u2019s cowl briefly caught fire, and a big piece of real timber fell on Feodor Chaliapin Jr, who played the blind monk, knocking him to the ground. \u201cI\u2019m 80 years old,\u201d he said, \u201cI don\u2019t mind dying. Was the take good?\u201d He went to hospital and we had to change the schedule because he then had a scar.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-1s160rg\">After four months in Rome, I went back to my production office in Munich and couldn\u2019t find it. I discovered the film\u2019s producer, Bernd Eichinger, in the cellar with his feet on a table. He said, \u201cJJ, I didn\u2019t want to disturb you during the shoot, but I sold the building to help pay for the movie.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u2018For my dialogue, I just went: eenie, meenie, miny, moe\u2019 \u2026 Ron Perlman with Christian Slater in The Name of the Rose. Photograph: TCD\/Prod DB\/AlamyRon Perlman, played Salvatore<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-1s160rg\">My very first film, Quest for Fire, was directed by Jean-Jacques. I played a caveman. Transforming myself into something completely foreign was an incredibly rewarding exercise and a phenomenal introduction to the world of cinema, so when I read that Jean-Jacques had attached himself to The Name of the Rose, I went through the book and found a character named Salvatore \u2013 an intellectually challenged hunchback who spoke in a jumble of seven languages \u2013 who would embody a similar challenge. I told Jean-Jacques that this part would be a dream come true.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-1s160rg\">Jean-Jacques gave me complete freedom to figure out my dialogue. The Name of the Rose had been published in 80 languages, so I got copies in the seven that <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/books\/umbertoeco\" data-link-name=\"in body link\" data-component=\"auto-linked-tag\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Umberto Eco<\/a> has Salvatore referencing, and circled every time Salvatore spoke. Then I just went, \u201cEenie, meenie, miny, moe \u2013 OK, this word is Latin, this word is Spanish, this word is Italian \u2026\u201d and so on. That was the genesis of Salvatore\u2019s communicative skills.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-1s160rg\">I worked with a dialect coach who was also a historian with particular knowledge of the period. He suggested the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=TXGzg3uJrOc\" data-link-name=\"in body link\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">lullaby<\/a> that Salvatore sings when he\u2019s burned at the stake. Jean-Jacques had this idea that Salvatore was so out of touch with reality that he was initially amused to be in that situation. The lullaby gave a sense of childlike wonder at the fact he\u2019s involved in this ceremony, but doesn\u2019t realise he\u2019s about to lose his life.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-1s160rg\">I only had to wear the prosthetic hump once, filming the scene where Salvatore is about to be tortured by F Murray Abraham as the inquisitor, Bernardo Gui. I was in the makeup chair for more than 13 hours and by the time I got to set, they had almost run out of time. My hair was shaved so it looked like I had mange. They said: \u201cGood luck with your personal life, my friend.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-1s160rg\">I spent every moment I could with Sean Connery, watching him act and listening to his stories. He was my hero, the real deal. When it came to the scene where I had to spit in his eye, I just couldn\u2019t do it. Sean took me aside, and said: \u201cRon, if you don\u2019t actually spit in my face, we\u2019ll be here all fucking day.\u201d So I finally just let one fly. The problem was, you don\u2019t film from just one angle, you have to recreate in profile, medium shot, closeup, over-the-shoulder \u2026 I must have spat in Sean Connery\u2019s face 16 times that day.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-1s160rg\"> The Name of the Rose is available now on digital and limited edition 4K UHD and Blu-ray (Second Sight Films)<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Jean-Jacques Annaud, director I read an article about a curious book that had great reviews in Italy, a&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":621413,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[32],"tags":[430,156,111,139,69],"class_list":["post-621412","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","category-celebrities","tag-celebrities","tag-entertainment","tag-new-zealand","tag-newzealand","tag-nz"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/621412","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=621412"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/621412\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/621413"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=621412"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=621412"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/nz\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=621412"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}