{"id":17175,"date":"2025-07-23T05:24:13","date_gmt":"2025-07-23T05:24:13","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/17175\/"},"modified":"2025-07-23T05:24:13","modified_gmt":"2025-07-23T05:24:13","slug":"sandie-peggie-tribunal-hears-emails-discussing-nurse-probe-should-not-have-been-written","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/17175\/","title":{"rendered":"Sandie Peggie tribunal hears emails discussing nurse probe should not have been written"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Dr Kate Searle said: &#8220;We should not have written these things in a group email to witnesses&#8221;.<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/0_01JY1KXHTAZGEPF9EKXS15160Z.jpg\" alt=\"Nurse Sandie Peggie outside the Scottish Parliament at Holyrood, Edinburgh\" loading=\"eager\"  \/>Nurse Sandie Peggie outside the Scottish Parliament at Holyrood, Edinburgh<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph_paragraph-text__PVKlh \"><a class=\"TextLink_text-link__dBSS0 TextLink_enabled__dJF3l\" href=\"https:\/\/www.dailyrecord.co.uk\/all-about\/technology\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"EmailsLink opens in a new tab.\" tabindex=\"0\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">Emails<\/a> between witnesses discussing an investigation into a gender critical nurse who was suspended following a dispute with a transgender doctor &#8220;should not have been written&#8221;, a consultant told a tribunal.<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph_paragraph-text__PVKlh \">Sandie Peggie was suspended after she complained about having to share a changing room with transgender medic Dr Beth Upton at Victoria Hospital, Kirkcaldy, Fife, on C<a class=\"TextLink_text-link__dBSS0 TextLink_enabled__dJF3l\" href=\"https:\/\/www.dailyrecord.co.uk\/all-about\/christmas\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"hristmas EveLink opens in a new tab.\" tabindex=\"0\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">hristmas Eve<\/a> 2023.<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph_paragraph-text__PVKlh \">She was placed on special leave after <a class=\"TextLink_text-link__dBSS0 TextLink_enabled__dJF3l\" href=\"https:\/\/www.dailyrecord.co.uk\/all-about\/nhs\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Dr UptonLink opens in a new tab.\" tabindex=\"0\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">Dr Upton<\/a> made an allegation of bullying and harassment and cited concerns about &#8220;patient care&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph_paragraph-text__PVKlh \">Ms Peggie has lodged a claim against <a class=\"TextLink_text-link__dBSS0 TextLink_enabled__dJF3l\" href=\"https:\/\/www.dailyrecord.co.uk\/all-about\/nhs-scotland\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"NHS FifeLink opens in a new tab.\" tabindex=\"0\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">NHS Fife<\/a> and Dr Upton, citing the Equality Act 2010, including sexual harassment; harassment related to a protected belief; indirect discrimination; and victimisation.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/2_01JKGG2V3FZ4CW4E3WRG3H98JD.jpg\" alt=\"Dr Beth Upton (centre) leaves an employment tribunal in Dundee, where Sandie Peggie, is taking Fife Hospital Board to tribunal \" loading=\"lazy\"  \/>Dr Beth Upton (centre) leaves an employment tribunal in Dundee, where Sandie Peggie, is taking Fife Hospital Board to tribunal <\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph_paragraph-text__PVKlh \">The tribunal resumed in <a class=\"TextLink_text-link__dBSS0 TextLink_enabled__dJF3l\" href=\"https:\/\/www.dailyrecord.co.uk\/all-about\/dundee\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"DundeeLink opens in a new tab.\" tabindex=\"0\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">Dundee<\/a> on July 16 after an initial set of hearings in February. On Tuesday, Dr Kate Searle, a consultant in emergency medicine, gave evidence.<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph_paragraph-text__PVKlh \">She denied &#8220;deliberately concealing&#8221; an email sent on January 5 2024 by <a class=\"TextLink_text-link__dBSS0 TextLink_enabled__dJF3l\" href=\"https:\/\/www.dailyrecord.co.uk\/all-about\/careers\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"fellow consultantLink opens in a new tab.\" tabindex=\"0\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">fellow consultant<\/a> Maggie Currer, with six potential witnesses plus Dr Upton included.<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph_paragraph-text__PVKlh \">Barrister <a class=\"TextLink_text-link__dBSS0 TextLink_enabled__dJF3l\" href=\"https:\/\/www.dailyrecord.co.uk\/authors\/rory-cassidy\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Naomi CunninghamLink opens in a new tab.\" tabindex=\"0\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">Naomi Cunningham<\/a>, representing Ms Peggie, said: &#8220;I want to suggest you deliberately concealed it to conceal wrongdoing of colleagues.&#8221; Dr Searle said: &#8220;It would be dishonest to do that and I&#8217;m a doctor who acts as honestly as I can at all times.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph_paragraph-text__PVKlh \">In her evidence, Dr Searle said that she had no concerns about Dr Upton&#8217;s allegations as the <a class=\"TextLink_text-link__dBSS0 TextLink_enabled__dJF3l\" href=\"https:\/\/www.dailyrecord.co.uk\/all-about\/justice\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"General Medical CouncilLink opens in a new tab.\" tabindex=\"0\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">General Medical Council<\/a> requires &#8220;honesty and integrity&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/1752664505_793_0_WACOMMUNITYQR3.jpg\" alt=\"\"  \/>Join the Daily Record WhatsApp community!<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph_paragraph-text__PVKlh \">Get the latest news sent straight to your messages by joining our WhatsApp community today.<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph_paragraph-text__PVKlh \">You&#8217;ll receive daily updates on breaking news as well as the top headlines across Scotland.<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph_paragraph-text__PVKlh \">No one will be able to see who is signed up and no one can send messages except the Daily Record team.<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph_paragraph-text__PVKlh \">All you have to do is <a class=\"TextLink_text-link__dBSS0 TextLink_enabled__dJF3l\" href=\"https:\/\/chat.whatsapp.com\/BZamc48XMaoEqKkIN7GWxV\" target=\"_self\" aria-label=\"\" tabindex=\"0\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">click here if you&#8217;re on mobile<\/a>, select &#8216;Join Community&#8217; and you&#8217;re in!<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph_paragraph-text__PVKlh \">If you&#8217;re on a desktop, simply scan the QR code above with your phone and click &#8216;Join Community&#8217;.<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph_paragraph-text__PVKlh \">We also treat our community members to special offers, promotions, and adverts from us and our partners. If you don\u2019t like our community, you can check out any time you like.<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph_paragraph-text__PVKlh \">To leave our community click on the name at the top of your screen and choose &#8216;exit group&#8217;.<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph_paragraph-text__PVKlh \">If you\u2019re curious, you can read our <a class=\"TextLink_text-link__dBSS0 TextLink_enabled__dJF3l\" href=\"https:\/\/www.dailyrecord.co.uk\/privacy-notice\/\" target=\"_self\" aria-label=\"\" tabindex=\"0\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">Privacy Notice.<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph_paragraph-text__PVKlh \">However, she said she was &#8220;never informed&#8221; that a referral to the Nursing and Midwifery Council had been made, <a class=\"TextLink_text-link__dBSS0 TextLink_enabled__dJF3l\" href=\"https:\/\/www.dailyrecord.co.uk\/all-about\/courts\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"the tribunal heardLink opens in a new tab.\" tabindex=\"0\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">the tribunal heard<\/a>. She said that she emailed Dr Upton with others included later in January to give an &#8220;update&#8221; on the investigation.<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph_paragraph-text__PVKlh \">But during cross-examination, Dr Searle admitted &#8220;that we should not have written these things in a group email to witnesses&#8221;. <a class=\"TextLink_text-link__dBSS0 TextLink_enabled__dJF3l\" href=\"https:\/\/www.dailyrecord.co.uk\/news\/scottish-news\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Ms CunninghamLink opens in a new tab.\" tabindex=\"0\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">Ms Cunningham<\/a> said the email on January 5 2024 was &#8220;seriously embarrassing to the respondents&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph_paragraph-text__PVKlh \">And she said it &#8220;appears to be an intention to set up and co-ordinate a group who should not be talking <a class=\"TextLink_text-link__dBSS0 TextLink_enabled__dJF3l\" href=\"https:\/\/www.dailyrecord.co.uk\/all-about\/gender-equality\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"about thisLink opens in a new tab.\" tabindex=\"0\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">about this<\/a> as they&#8217;re witnesses&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph_paragraph-text__PVKlh \">She added: &#8220;It says &#8216;<a class=\"TextLink_text-link__dBSS0 TextLink_enabled__dJF3l\" href=\"https:\/\/www.dailyrecord.co.uk\/all-about\/gender-issues\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"informationLink opens in a new tab.\" tabindex=\"0\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">information<\/a> must not be shared outside this group as risk of foot in mouth syndrome &#8211; it is quite a serious risk of foot in mouth syndrome&#8217;.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph_paragraph-text__PVKlh \">Dr Searle said: &#8220;I can appreciate that in hindsight we should not have written these things in a group email to witnesses.&#8221; Ms Cunningham quoted from <a class=\"TextLink_text-link__dBSS0 TextLink_enabled__dJF3l\" href=\"https:\/\/www.dailyrecord.co.uk\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Dr Upton&#039;sLink opens in a new tab.\" tabindex=\"0\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">Dr Upton&#8217;s<\/a> evidence.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/0_Fife-Hospital-Board-tribunal.jpg\" alt=\"Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Queen Margaret Hospital in Dunfermline\" loading=\"lazy\"  \/>Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Queen Margaret Hospital in Dunfermline(Image: PA)<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph_paragraph-text__PVKlh \">This included that using female changing rooms was &#8220;a thing I have been instructed to be the most appropriate&#8221;, and describing biological sex as a &#8220;nebulous <a class=\"TextLink_text-link__dBSS0 TextLink_enabled__dJF3l\" href=\"https:\/\/www.dailyrecord.co.uk\/all-about\/dogs\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"dogLink opens in a new tab.\" tabindex=\"0\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">dog<\/a> whistle&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph_paragraph-text__PVKlh \">Dr Searle denied telling the junior doctor to use female facilities, and said: &#8220;Definitely no instructions were given.&#8221; She agreed that <a class=\"TextLink_text-link__dBSS0 TextLink_enabled__dJF3l\" href=\"https:\/\/www.dailyrecord.co.uk\/all-about\/women\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"biological sexLink opens in a new tab.\" tabindex=\"0\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">biological sex<\/a> was &#8220;significant&#8221;, but when the term &#8220;nebulous dog whistle&#8221; was put to her, she denied knowing what it meant.<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph_paragraph-text__PVKlh \">Ms Cunningham said: &#8220;I think it must follow that anyone who describes <a class=\"TextLink_text-link__dBSS0 TextLink_enabled__dJF3l\" href=\"https:\/\/www.dailyrecord.co.uk\/all-about\/sex\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"biological sexLink opens in a new tab.\" tabindex=\"0\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">biological sex<\/a> as a &#8216;nebulous dog whistle&#8217; would be talking obvious nonsense.&#8221; Dr Searle said: &#8220;I&#8217;m not sure what that means.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph_paragraph-text__PVKlh \">The witness said she emailed <a class=\"TextLink_text-link__dBSS0 TextLink_enabled__dJF3l\" href=\"https:\/\/www.dailyrecord.co.uk\/all-about\/equal-rights\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"EqualitiesLink opens in a new tab.\" tabindex=\"0\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">Equalities<\/a> lead Isla Bumba on December 8 2023 as Dr Upton felt &#8220;uncomfortable&#8221; about Ms Peggie &#8220;self-excluding&#8221; from the female changing room.<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph_paragraph-text__PVKlh \">But she said she &#8220;didn&#8217;t recall&#8221; raising the possibility of taking it further, as mentioned in an internal investigation. She said she <a class=\"TextLink_text-link__dBSS0 TextLink_enabled__dJF3l\" href=\"https:\/\/www.dailyrecord.co.uk\/all-about\/google\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"GoogledLink opens in a new tab.\" tabindex=\"0\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">Googled<\/a> policies around self-identification, and added: &#8220;I&#8217;m not a law expert &#8211; if you Google it, it comes up under Equality Act.<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph_paragraph-text__PVKlh \">&#8220;There are many references to toilets and changing rooms. I subsequently <a class=\"TextLink_text-link__dBSS0 TextLink_enabled__dJF3l\" href=\"https:\/\/www.dailyrecord.co.uk\/news\/uk-world-news\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"emailedLink opens in a new tab.\" tabindex=\"0\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">emailed<\/a> Isla Bumba who is much more expert in Equalities than me. She agreed there is no policy.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph_paragraph-text__PVKlh \">The consultant denied that she perceived self-exclusion as &#8220;misbehaviour&#8221;. Dr Searle said: &#8220;We would have discussed it if Dr Upton was very uncomfortable and it was <a class=\"TextLink_text-link__dBSS0 TextLink_enabled__dJF3l\" href=\"https:\/\/www.dailyrecord.co.uk\/all-about\/mental-health\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"affecting themLink opens in a new tab.\" tabindex=\"0\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">affecting them<\/a>&#8220;.<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph_paragraph-text__PVKlh \">She said a discussion would have involved &#8220;<a class=\"TextLink_text-link__dBSS0 TextLink_enabled__dJF3l\" href=\"https:\/\/www.dailyrecord.co.uk\/all-about\/politics\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"compassionLink opens in a new tab.\" tabindex=\"0\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">compassion<\/a> and kindness&#8221;, but added: &#8220;It doesn&#8217;t sound otherwise like there&#8217;s anything to take further.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph_paragraph-text__PVKlh \"><a class=\"TextLink_text-link__dBSS0 TextLink_enabled__dJF3l\" href=\"https:\/\/www.dailyrecord.co.uk\/news\/\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Ms CunninghamLink opens in a new tab.\" tabindex=\"0\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">Ms Cunningham<\/a> said: &#8220;At the time you discussed it with Dr Upton you considered this to be misbehaviour, she (Ms Peggie) was behaving badly and making him feel uncomfortable.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/0_JS375456785.jpg\" alt=\"Isla Bumba departs the tribunal of Sandie Peggie.\" loading=\"lazy\"  \/>Isla Bumba departs the tribunal of Sandie Peggie.(Image: Jeff J Mitchell\/Getty Images.)<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph_paragraph-text__PVKlh \">However, Dr Searle said: &#8220;Beth felt uncomfortable that Sandie appeared to not want to engage.&#8221; Ms Cunningham said: &#8220;My question was: both you and he regarded Sandie&#8217;s conduct in removing herself a form of <a class=\"TextLink_text-link__dBSS0 TextLink_enabled__dJF3l\" href=\"https:\/\/www.dailyrecord.co.uk\/all-about\/transgender-community\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"misbehaviourLink opens in a new tab.\" tabindex=\"0\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">misbehaviour<\/a>?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph_paragraph-text__PVKlh \">Dr Searle said: &#8220;I don&#8217;t agree we would have classed it as <a class=\"TextLink_text-link__dBSS0 TextLink_enabled__dJF3l\" href=\"https:\/\/www.dailyrecord.co.uk\/all-about\/transphobia\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"misbehaviourLink opens in a new tab.\" tabindex=\"0\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">misbehaviour<\/a>.&#8221; Ms Cunningham said: &#8220;I think you&#8217;ve already confirmed that email to Isla Bumba on December 8 was prompted by a conversation about Sandie removing herself from the changing room when he was there, that&#8217;s right?<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph_paragraph-text__PVKlh \">&#8220;You ask if there&#8217;s any policies around <a class=\"TextLink_text-link__dBSS0 TextLink_enabled__dJF3l\" href=\"https:\/\/www.dailyrecord.co.uk\/all-about\/trans-rights\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"transgenderLink opens in a new tab.\" tabindex=\"0\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">transgender<\/a> staff and suggest Dr Upton might be keen to help develop some; is it fair for the tribunal to infer the possibility of developing policies to make it easier for Dr Upton to take matters further?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p class=\"Paragraph_paragraph-text__PVKlh \">Dr Searle said: &#8220;No, I don&#8217;t agree. I think there needs to be an <a class=\"TextLink_text-link__dBSS0 TextLink_enabled__dJF3l\" href=\"https:\/\/www.dailyrecord.co.uk\/all-about\/fife\" target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"NHS FifeLink opens in a new tab.\" tabindex=\"0\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\">NHS Fife<\/a> policy on how everyone can feel comfortable in changing areas of their choosing.&#8221; The tribunal continues.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Dr Kate Searle said: &#8220;We should not have written these things in a group email to witnesses&#8221;.Nurse Sandie&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":17176,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[3],"tags":[1343,11266,11268,11269,11267,59,11264,11265,844,57,58,2196,11263,50,104,3780,9136,9135,11270,56,54,55],"class_list":["post-17175","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","category-united-kingdom","tag-courts","tag-dundee","tag-dunfermline","tag-equal-rights","tag-fife","tag-gb","tag-gender-equality","tag-gender-issues","tag-google","tag-great-britain","tag-greatbritain","tag-hospitals","tag-justice","tag-news","tag-nhs","tag-nhs-scotland","tag-trans-rights","tag-transgender-community","tag-transphobia","tag-uk","tag-united-kingdom","tag-unitedkingdom"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/17175","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=17175"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/17175\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/17176"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=17175"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=17175"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=17175"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}