{"id":251253,"date":"2025-11-08T12:52:08","date_gmt":"2025-11-08T12:52:08","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/251253\/"},"modified":"2025-11-08T12:52:08","modified_gmt":"2025-11-08T12:52:08","slug":"the-forgotten-band-phil-collins-knew-was-doomed","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/251253\/","title":{"rendered":"The forgotten band Phil Collins knew was doomed"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <img width=\"1140\" height=\"855\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/Phil-Collins-1989-Far-Out-Magazine-1140x855.jpg\" class=\"attachment-single-feature size-single-feature wp-post-image\" alt=\"Phil Collins - 1989\" layout=\"fill\"  style=\"object-position: 59% 60%\" loading=\"eager\" fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" \/><\/p>\n<p>(Credits: Warner Music)<\/p>\n<p> Sat 8 November 2025 10:30, UK <\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s easy to see the arguments for <a href=\"https:\/\/faroutmagazine.co.uk\/tags\/phil-collins\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\" title=\"\">Phil Collins<\/a> being both the best and the worst thing that the 1980s had ever produced.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>As much as people adored his radio hits, the idea of any hardened Genesis fan wanting to throw Collins off a cliff for turning them into a pop group was certainly understandable given their prog roots. But part of the beauty of listening to Collins a little bit closer is that he was never looking to stay in one sound for very long.<\/p>\n<p>Even in the Genesis days, he would be the first person to tell you that he wasn\u2019t itching to become a pop musician. A lot of what he did during his solo career was what came naturally to him, and if he had his way, he would have wanted his first solo album to sound like bands like Weather Report than anywhere close to the brewing anger of a song like \u2018In the Air Tonight\u2019. But once he had a career at his feet, he wasn\u2019t about to shoot himself in the foot when it came to having hits.<\/p>\n<p>While Collins turned out to be an absolute natural in front of the microphone, he could have made an entire living out of being one of the greatest drummers in the world. It often goes unnoticed these days, but outside of that one drum fill everyone loves to play along to, Collins could hang with the best jazz fusion players of all time, even if projects like Brand X were never going to get off the ground.<\/p>\n<p>But before Genesis even started, Collins was already accustomed to playing in a band dynamic. Not many kids have the potential to play <a href=\"https:\/\/faroutmagazine.co.uk\/george-harrison-brutal-prank-phil-collins\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\" title=\"\">with George Harrison<\/a> when they\u2019re first starting out, but after playing around in various bands in England, Flaming Youth was the first time where he seemed to have a stable foundation.<\/p>\n<p>Or at least he thought he did. Their only album, Ark 2, is far from terrible, but it\u2019s also clearly indebted to the sounds of the day, and if Collins had had his way, they would have been writing their own tunes instead of sticking with tracks that the label had forced them to record half the time. You can hear him slowly trying to put his own spin on things, but even he had to admit that there was no future there.<\/p>\n<p>For Collins, this was a decent start, but there was no way any of his fellow bandmates were going to go the distance playing together, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=g8mI0fe7Mn0&amp;t=3s\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\" title=\"\">saying<\/a>, \u201cIt wasn\u2019t a very good album, and we weren\u2019t actually playing that kind of music ourselves, but this was a job, and we got \u00a35 each. We did that for a year, but we weren\u2019t working enough and I then started looking around and saw the advert for Genesis.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>While the band was still an upstart at that point, they had the bones of a great band that just needed Collins\u2019s touch. \u2018The Knife\u2019 showed a lot of promise on their sophomore record, but as soon as Collins got behind the kit, Peter Gabriel didn\u2019t let anyone else try out because he knew that they had found the guy they were looking for.<\/p>\n<p>So while Flaming Youth is a morbid fascination for anyone that\u2019s looking to delve deeper into Collins\u2019s non-prog outings, you\u2019re only hearing the raw ideas of what he could be. Could he have become big enough to rival Genesis on his own? Maybe, but looking at how little the band were filling up clubs, it wasn\u2019t like they were showing as much promise as he had hoped once everything got started. <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>Related Topics<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"(Credits: Warner Music) Sat 8 November 2025 10:30, UK It\u2019s easy to see the arguments for Phil Collins&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":251254,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[28],"tags":[96,44712,128,10869,56,54,55],"class_list":{"0":"post-251253","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-music","8":"tag-entertainment","9":"tag-genesis","10":"tag-music","11":"tag-phil-collins","12":"tag-uk","13":"tag-united-kingdom","14":"tag-unitedkingdom"},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/251253","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=251253"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/251253\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/251254"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=251253"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=251253"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=251253"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}