{"id":276132,"date":"2025-11-21T21:41:11","date_gmt":"2025-11-21T21:41:11","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/276132\/"},"modified":"2025-11-21T21:41:11","modified_gmt":"2025-11-21T21:41:11","slug":"whos-next-pete-townshend-and-roger-daltrey-at-odds-over-ai-music","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/276132\/","title":{"rendered":"Who\u2019s next? Pete Townshend and Roger Daltrey at odds over AI music"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">Their creative partnership resulted in some of the finest rock\u2019n\u2019roll of the 20th century but the Who\u2019s Roger Daltrey and Pete Townshend are no strangers to disagreement, even the odd fist fight.<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">The pair\u2019s latest argument, however, has taken them into the most un-rock\u2019n\u2019roll of topics: artificial intelligence.<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">Daltrey, the band\u2019s lead vocalist, thinks the technology could destroy music, but Townshend, the guitarist, disagrees and wants to use AI to finish his unreleased work.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Musicians Roger Daltrey and Pete Townshend of The Who perform onstage at Desert Trip.\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/\/b3e84bb5-1d6c-4d57-a808-a1472d7dea55.jpg\" class=\"responsive-sc-1nnon4d-0 bAbKns\"\/><\/p>\n<p>Roger Daltrey and Townshend during the Desert Trip festival at the Empire Polo Club in California in 2016<\/p>\n<p>KEVIN MAZUR\/GETTY IMAGES<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">Townshend, the Who\u2019s main songwriter, last week told Stephen Colbert, the US talk show host, that he has between 350 and 450 pieces of unfinished music lying around and is tempted to put them into the AI platform Suno to see if it can help him generate some hits.<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">It has prompted several in the music industry to urge him to think twice. Townshend told Colbert that some of the music in his vault is \u201cprobably terrible\u201d and he has \u201conly managed to wade through about half of it\u201d.<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">He added: \u201cI don\u2019t know what to do with it \u2026 I\u2019m also quite interested in AI. I\u2019m quite interested in getting some of my old songs that didn\u2019t quite work because I didn\u2019t get them right the first time round and put them up on to Suno or something, some AI music machine, and seeing what it can make of it. It might be some hits.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">Daltrey said earlier this year that AI was \u201cgoing to destroy the music industry if we\u2019re not careful \u2026 music is a different language, and we shouldn\u2019t let AI control that\u201d.<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">Suno is an AI platform where people can create music by putting in text prompts. It was developed by scraping songs from the internet to develop the software. The company is being sued by the US recording industry for copyright infringement. Suno believes that what it has done is allowed under US law. The start-up said this week it was valued at $2.45 billion after raising $250 million in its latest funding round.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"The Velvet Sundown band performing on stage.\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/\/ff9f815e-2cdd-4050-9872-dd7e4c45042c.jpg\" class=\"responsive-sc-1nnon4d-0 bAbKns\"\/><\/p>\n<p>The Velvet Sundown, a band created with artificial intelligence<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">Ed Newton-Rex, a composer and chief executive of Fairly Trained, a non-profit organisation that certifies AI companies that pay for copyrighted works, said: \u201cSuno is built using other musicians\u2019 work without permission. If Pete Townshend is going to use AI to rework his songs, I\u2019d hope he would use tools that didn\u2019t exploit other musicians\u2019 work in this way.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">Michael Price, an Emmy-winning composer of the soundtracks for Sherlock, Dracula and Unforgotten, also urged Townshend to steer clear of Suno: \u201cAt 80, I\u2019m sure Pete Townshend doesn\u2019t need my opinion, but how much better would it be if he hired a new young producer, like Dave Gilmour did with Charlie Andrew, rather than feeding his back catalogue into a meat grinder of plagiarism.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">Gilmour, of Pink Floyd, recently teamed up with Andrew, who worked with the group Alt-J, for a solo album.<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">Jen Jacobsen, the executive director of the Artist Rights Alliance, a US organisation that advocates for musicians\u2019 rights, said: \u201cPete Townshend is obviously a legend and amazing, and I think that he should be able to do whatever he wants with his music.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">However, of his potential use of Suno, she added: \u201cIt depends on what he\u2019s saying about Suno and how he\u2019s using it. Suno is a platform that, as I understand it, does not offer artists the amount of control, consent and choice about how their work is used [that they should have].<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">\u2022 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.thetimes.com\/culture\/music\/article\/heres-why-justin-bieber-should-worry-about-ai-clbpfgshs\" class=\"link__RespLink-sc-1ocvixa-0 csWvlP\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">No one need worry about a hit AI band \u2014 except Justin Bieber<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">\u201cIt\u2019s been trained on work that\u2019s been stolen. And so the platform itself is not friendly to artists. It doesn\u2019t respect artists\u2019 rights. If Pete Townshend were to endorse this platform, regardless of how it treats artists, that would be a problem.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">Townshend recently quipped in an <a href=\"https:\/\/www.thetimes.com\/culture\/theatre-dance\/article\/pete-townshend-interview-who-quadrophenia-mod-ballet-w79qvnm02\" class=\"link__RespLink-sc-1ocvixa-0 csWvlP\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">interview with The Times<\/a> that his fans were always wanting him to write new songs that sounded like the old ones. Noting that Paul McCartney and the producer Giles Martin used AI to complete an old John Lennon demo and release it as Now and Then by the Beatles, he said: \u201cIf I told AI \u2018write a load of Pete Townshend songs like he used to in 1973\u2019, a lot of Who fans would be really pleased.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">What some Who fans were not pleased about was the use of AI to create cover art for the band\u2019s 2025 release, Live at the Oval 1971. Designed by Townshend\u2019s nephew, Josh, some called it \u201cAI slop\u201d on fans\u2019 message boards.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Illustration of &quot;The Who Live at The Oval 1971&quot; album cover with a central figure in round glasses and band members playing instruments.\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/\/f54bd66e-760d-4223-83f7-c59de1757d6c.jpg\" class=\"responsive-sc-1nnon4d-0 bAbKns\"\/><\/p>\n<p>The cover art for Live at the Oval 1971<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">Fears over AI and music have intensified recently as the volume of material has increased on streaming platforms.<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">\u2022 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.thetimes.com\/uk\/media\/article\/ai-songs-music-try-our-quiz-sgfd9h3vv\" class=\"link__RespLink-sc-1ocvixa-0 csWvlP\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Did AI write that song? Only 3 per cent can tell \u2014 take our quiz<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">The music site Deezer said that 50,000 fully AI-generated tracks were uploaded to the platform each day, accounting for 34 per cent of all deliveries, up from 20,000 and 18 per cent earlier this year. An AI-generated song topped a Billboard chart for the first time last week.<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">Lucas Woodland, the lead singer of the Welsh rock group Holding Absence, recently spoke out about an AI group, Bleeding Verse, which was based on his band but had more listeners in a matter of months.<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">He posted on X: \u201cSo, an AI \u2018band\u2019 who cite us as an influence (ie, it\u2019s modelled off our music) have just overtaken us on Spotify, in only two months. It\u2019s shocking, it\u2019s disheartening, it\u2019s insulting \u2014 most importantly \u2014 it\u2019s a wake-up call.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">He urged listeners to \u201coppose AI music, or bands like us stop existing\u201d. <\/p>\n<p id=\"last-paragraph\" class=\"responsive__Paragraph-sc-1pktst5-0 gaEeqC\">Suno was approached for comment.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Their creative partnership resulted in some of the finest rock\u2019n\u2019roll of the 20th century but the Who\u2019s Roger&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":276133,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[20],"tags":[554,733,4308,86,56,54,55],"class_list":{"0":"post-276132","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-artificial-intelligence","8":"tag-ai","9":"tag-artificial-intelligence","10":"tag-artificialintelligence","11":"tag-technology","12":"tag-uk","13":"tag-united-kingdom","14":"tag-unitedkingdom"},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/276132","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=276132"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/276132\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/276133"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=276132"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=276132"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=276132"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}