{"id":661030,"date":"2026-06-27T11:47:12","date_gmt":"2026-06-27T11:47:12","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/661030\/"},"modified":"2026-06-27T11:47:12","modified_gmt":"2026-06-27T11:47:12","slug":"dave-eggers-once-you-have-a-machine-think-and-write-for-you-youre-cooked-as-a-species-dave-eggers","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/661030\/","title":{"rendered":"Dave Eggers: \u2018Once you have a machine think and write for you, you\u2019re cooked as a species\u2019 | Dave Eggers"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"dcr-1s160rg\">At Dave Eggers\u2019s suggestion, we\u2019re starting the interview by life drawing together. The novelist dropped out of art school but has been drawing for decades, and his new book is set in the art world. Prudence, our model, stands before us with her palms open, nude but for a pair of black knee-high socks. This, unsurprisingly, is an interview first for me. Eggers shows me how to hold my pencil at arm\u2019s length and use my thumb to measure Prudence\u2019s proportions. Since the pandemic, he\u2019s been organising regular life\u2011drawing sessions in the book-lined offices of McSweeney\u2019s, the publishing house and literary journal he founded in San Francisco in 1998. He loves the element of chance in figure drawing \u2013 you never know which sketch will work out \u2013 and believes it helps cultivate empathy.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-1s160rg\">How so, asks Prudence, helpfully interviewing him for me, because I\u2019ve been thrown off my game. \u201cI feel like in three hours of drawing a human, you learn so much about them and there is so much affection that comes from carefully trying to get them right,\u201d he says.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-1s160rg\">Eggers is 56 and emanates rock-dad vibes, with his grey curly hair, black graphic T-shirt and jeans, brown lace-up boots. He has written more than a dozen novels, half a dozen nonfiction books, as well as children\u2019s books and art books, and has launched a huge number of non\u00adprofits over the years, many of them aimed at reducing the barriers to literature and the arts. Asked how he manages all of this, Eggers is modest: he says, for example, that he likes to hand over leadership as soon as he can. His most recent venture is Art + Water, an arts centre on the San Francisco waterfront modelled on a traditional artists\u2019 atelier, in which, in exchange for free studio space, 10 established artists will provide mentorship and instruction to 20 local emerging artists. The programme will be free to attend. In the US, a master of fine arts (MFA) degree can easily cost $100,000 a year, an \u201cabsurd\u201d price, says Eggers, that produces an \u201carts industrial complex that makes everyone miserable\u201d. \u201cThere\u2019s nothing that makes me more crazy than an economic barrier to a creative writing class or a drawing class,\u201d he says.<\/p>\n<p>  Illustration: Dave Eggers<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-1s160rg\">After we finish drawing, we pass through the Narnia-style wardrobe that separates the McSweeney\u2019s offices from the International Library of Youth Writing at the front of the building. The library showcases books written by children who attended the international network of writing centres that Eggers helped found almost 25 years ago. The original centre, 826 Valencia, is across the road, inside a pirate-supply shop, because local planning laws dictated that the building be used as a commercial space, and Eggers believes children need more whimsy in their lives.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-1s160rg\">We settle on a pair of grand, mismatched armchairs. Local school kids can come to the library to read or to write, with a pen or a typewriter, or make their own zines. There are oriental rugs on the floor and on the wall, there is a portrait of Queen Elizabeth I, but with her nails painted fuchsia and her head replaced by a cartoon pink dog. Behind a grandfather clock a hidden door reveals a Marie Antoinette-style boudoir, in which students can browse replicas of famous writers\u2019 juvenilia. There is a pink chest of miniature drawers,\u00a0each one a postbox for one of the neighbourhood kids, who send each other letters and often receive jokes and other missives from the library\u2019s curator. The\u00a0children love it. \u201cIt\u2019s not like a digital mailbox, it\u2019s a box with a real person that\u2019s putting a letter in every day,\u201d he says. \u201cIf you give them a real, tangible choice, they will always choose the person, the typewriter, the\u00a0tactility, as opposed to another screen. But we assume that they want more screens, and we give them more screens, and we serve nobody. It\u2019s just a tragedy.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-1s160rg\">Eggers pulls out a pamphlet in which a professional illustrator has captured a story composed by a group\u00a0of\u00a0children that is set in \u201cthe fluffy pizza beetle desert of doom\u201d. A lot of the books in this room are \u201cbonkers\u201d, he points out, delighted. \u201cWe don\u2019t question the weirdness, as long as it\u2019s original,\u201d he says. \u201cThat\u2019s the only requirement, it can\u2019t be about you know, SpongeBob or something. It has to be their original thoughts.\u201d Eggers had thought, over two decades of working with children, that he had met and seen every\u00a0educational challenge. Then AI entered the classrooms. \u201cThe AI challenge really is beyond an existential one. Every time I think I\u2019m going to talk to\u00a0somebody who would never deign to use AI in any form I find there\u2019s this very porous line where, you know, a smart 10-year-old will say, \u2018well, I don\u2019t use it to write, I just use it to generate ideas\u2019, which is far, far\u00a0worse.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>double quotation markOnce you have a machine think for you and write for you, you\u2019re cooked as a species<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-1s160rg\">When he hears stories like that, he likes to remind students of their uniqueness. \u201cYou\u2019re one of one,\u201d he\u2019ll say. \u201cYou\u2019re unprecedented in the entire line of human history. Only you have your brain. Only you can think of what you can think of. Only you can tell a story in a particular way. Why would you cede that to a machine?\u201d Eggers\u2019s voice, usually quiet, almost monotone, rises as he warms to his theme. \u201cOnce you have a machine think for you and write for you, you\u2019re cooked as a species. That\u2019s it. That\u2019s the worse dystopian outcome there could ever be,\u201d he says. He can think of nothing worse than \u201cthe idea of us willingly, without any overlord telling us so, saying \u2018I think my voice would be better expressed by an unthinking machine who has plagiarised all of the world\u2019s authors and has\u00a0come\u00a0up with this terrible soup of bad writing.\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-1s160rg\">For all the dispiriting news about AI-written books and reviews, Eggers believes that eventually there will be a countermovement, much as there is growing resistance to giving teenagers smartphones and social media access. Most teachers, he suspects, understand the problem with tech in schools. The problem stems from policymakers. He mentions a speech in which the US education secretary Linda McMahon talks about the benefits of introducing AI into schools, even for children as young as five, except she keeps referring to AI as \u201cA-one\u201d. \u201cThis is who we have leading the department of education,\u201d he complains. \u201cWe\u2019re in such a comical place right now \u2026\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-1s160rg\">Eggers and his wife, the writer Vendela Vida, are part of two class action lawsuits against Anthropic over the AI firm\u2019s unauthorised use of their books to train large language learning systems. \u201cI guarantee you they didn\u2019t even think they were stealing anything because it\u2019s just \u2018content\u2019 to them,\u201d he says. Content is the \u201cworld\u2019s worst word\u201d, he adds, because it dehumanises writing and suggests \u201cit has no real value inherently, and it doesn\u2019t matter if humans made it or not\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>  Photograph: Benedict Evans\/The Guardian<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-1s160rg\">Eggers\u2019s writing is often very politically engaged. His nonfiction books, he says, \u201call started with outrage and just being aghast at some recent moment in American history and wanting to illuminate it\u201d. The Monk of Mokha, for instance, is a story of immigration and the American dream, about a Yemeni who hopes to resurrect the ancient art of Yemeni coffee, while Zeitoun tells the story of a Syrian-American businessman who helps his neighbours during Hurricane Katrina and then is wrongfully accused of terrorism. It faced criticism afterwards for over-simplifying its hero, who was later imprisoned for stalking his ex-wife.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-1s160rg\">When he studied journalism at the University of Illinois, he tells me, his professors \u2013 \u201chardcore old Chicago newspaper guys\u201d \u2013 warned the class that \u201cno one will get better than a B-minus because you don\u2019t deserve it, there\u2019s no chance you will do work that\u2019s better than that\u201d. He talks about the \u201cslog\u201d of writing nonfiction, the challenge of fact-checking every date and detail. He says he has so many unwritten stories from reporting trips that he cannot bring himself to write. \u201cFiction is not pure joy, but it\u2019s infinitely more fun,\u201d he says.<\/p>\n<p>Bonnet Girl.  Illustration: Dave Eggers<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-1s160rg\">He has written two dystopian novels, The Circle (2013) and The Every (2021), about a monopolistic big tech firm that is trying to take over every aspect of human existence, and somehow reality seems capable of outdoing his imagination. In The Every, the president communicates in emojis, rather than rightwing memes, and AI is used to sanitise novels, rather than write them from scratch. He was recently invited by Sam Altman of OpenAI to speak on campus about AI-written novels. To everyone\u2019s credit, Eggers says it was an interesting, open conversation. \u201cIt was a really nice afternoon, actually, because what we always forget is that the maniacal illusions of a few of the people at the very top are not always shared by the rank-and-file \u2026 at least some of the people working there do want to be told what\u2019s right and what\u2019s wrong,\u201d he says. \u201cBut I definitely did have to give them the bad news \u2026 there\u2019s no such thing as AI art. Only humans can create art.\u201d At best, the stuff a machine can spit out can be described as \u201ccomputer generated imagery\u201d.<\/p>\n<p><a data-ignore=\"global-link-styling\" href=\"#EmailSignup-skip-link-16\" class=\"dcr-76akua\">skip past newsletter promotion<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-vf9hps\">Sign up to Inside Saturday<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-1r7my33\">The only way to get a look behind the scenes of the Saturday magazine. Sign up to get the inside story from our top writers as well as all the must-read articles and columns, delivered to your inbox every weekend.<\/p>\n<p><img src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/uk\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/1782376450_973_500.jpg\" alt=\"\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"dcr-xiq31o\"\/><\/p>\n<p id=\"EmailSignup-skip-link-16\" tabindex=\"0\" aria-label=\"after newsletter promotion\" role=\"note\" class=\"dcr-76akua\">after newsletter promotion<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-1s160rg\">When Eggers\u2019s phone rings mid interview, he pulls out an old-fashioned flip phone. He writes first drafts by hand and then transfers his writing to a Mac computer from 1998 that has never been connected to the internet and is now patched up with duct tape. He has never seen the appeal of social media \u2013 \u201cI\u2019ve never seen Facebook. Like, I don\u2019t know what exactly happens on Facebook,\u201d he says \u2013 but ESPN sports news and watching old concerts on YouTube are a massive temptation. \u201cA\u00a0Kate Bush show from 1981, that\u2019s where I waste my time \u2026 so the last time I was online I did like a two-and-a-half-hour Sin\u00e9ad O\u2019Connor concert.\u201d He did not have\u00a0internet access at home until he had to install it during the pandemic, a change that means, instead of writing in his garage, he now writes on a boat in San Francisco Bay \u201cto escape the internet\u201d. On his boat he has no phone reception and the only interruptions are the passing fishers and the occasional porpoise or harbour seal.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-1s160rg\">Eggers was born in Boston and raised in Chicago, where his mother worked as a teacher and his father was a lawyer. He burst on to the literary scene in 2000 with the publication of his tragicomic memoir, A\u00a0Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Genius, which recounts how, after both of his parents died of cancer within weeks of one another, at the age of 21 Eggers became an acting parent to his eight-year-old brother, Toph. A year after the book was published, his sister Beth killed herself. Reporting suggests that he later became estranged from Toph. In a 2010 Guardian interview he describes the memoir as an \u201caberration\u201d. He rarely gives interviews, does not like to use the first-person \u201cI\u201d in his writing, and will no longer talk about this extremely painful chapter of his life. I was warned by two people not to go there, and whenever our conversation veers close to personal, he becomes visibly uncomfortable. Today, only Prudence is baring all.<\/p>\n<p>826 Valencia Street, San Francisco, the centre for young writers that Eggers co-founded in 2002.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-1s160rg\">He started work on his new novel, Contrapposto, around 20 years ago, when he began \u2013 as he always does \u2013 jotting notes for a story set in the art world on random bits of copy paper that very slowly accumulated in a box. The novel spans six decades and follows the friendship, and thwarted romance, between Cricket and Olympia, who meet as children when Olympia, a very worldly 10-year-old, commissions Cricket, a reclusive, art-loving nine-year-old, to write ornate, pornographic graffiti on the playground. This becomes the first of many artistic collaborations. Usually, it only takes about five years for a box filled with notes to become a book, but Eggers says it took turning 50 for him to understand it was possible to write a story like Contrapposto because people are surprisingly consistent. \u201cMost of my friends I\u2019ve had since first or second grade, and none of us changed much. We have the exact same relationship,\u201d he says.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-1s160rg\">I had wondered about the similarities between Cricket and Eggers, but he quickly quashes that. It is true that he loved drawing as a child, but he was an \u201cactive, antsy kid\u201d who was friends with all the naughty boys. It is true he, too, briefly studied art at his local state university, and once interned at a snooty gallery that received not a single visitor for a whole week, but the similarities end there. Unlike Cricket, who struggles to make a living in art because he refuses to compromise and cannot make deadlines, Eggers is, by necessity, practical. He sells prints of his art \u2013 he\u2019s made many animal drawings with amusing juxtaposed captions, like a slightly forlorn-looking bear beneath the phrase \u201cOh God the beauty will kill me\u201d \u2013 to pay the rent on the library, and he finds satisfaction in meeting the numbers each month.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-1s160rg\">One theme that runs throughout Contrapposto is the complex relationship between talent and success. One character points out that the most talented guitarist you\u2019ll ever see is probably playing in a Journey cover band in Reno \u2013 \u201cwhich I\u2019ve seen, you know,\u201d Eggers says. \u201cBest guitarist I ever saw was in Reno in some bar.\u201d It\u2019s not only because of a lack of opportunity. Sometimes people are talented but lack the right ideas, he says. Sometimes their skill simply isn\u2019t valued for esoteric reasons \u2013 he finds it strange, for instance, that we place so little artistic value on those streetside artists who draw portraits for tourists. \u201cI\u2019m astounded when I see some of them, what they can do,\u201d he says.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-1s160rg\">Before I leave, we flick through our sketches one more time. He says generous things about my work, because that is the kind of thing he\u2019ll always do for aspiring artists. There is one drawing of his that he thinks he\u2019ll keep. It\u2019s a sketch of Prudence facing away from us and pulling playfully at the end of one of her dark braids. The image manages to bring about a sense of motion: you can almost feel Prudence tugging on her hair. He conveys the impression of looseness, while retaining total control.<\/p>\n<p class=\"dcr-1s160rg\"> Contrapposto by Dave Eggers is published by Canongate on 2 July. 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