{"id":417843,"date":"2026-07-30T10:27:10","date_gmt":"2026-07-30T10:27:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us-ca\/417843\/"},"modified":"2026-07-30T10:27:10","modified_gmt":"2026-07-30T10:27:10","slug":"welcome-to-anchorage-9-the-giant-ship-parking-lot-you-pass-every-day","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us-ca\/417843\/","title":{"rendered":"Welcome to Anchorage 9: The Giant Ship Parking Lot You Pass Every Day"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.kqed.org\/news\/12092878\/welcome-to-anchorage-9-the-giant-ship-parking-lot-you-pass-every-day#episode-transcript\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">View the full episode transcript.<\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Look out over the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.kqed.org\/news\/tag\/san-francisco-bay\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">San Francisco Bay<\/a> on any given day, and you may see a collection of giant container ships anchored offshore.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Bay Curious listener Stephanie Rolfs has seen them countless times on her runs, and the same question always pops into her mind: \u201cHow do the cargo ships know where to park? Is there an invisible parking lot or some other system?\u201d<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us-ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/07\/260114-BarPilots-12-BL-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-12092756\"  \/>Janice Smith points to a map of ships anchored in the San Francisco Bay, in what are called anchor buckets, at the San Francisco Bar Pilots headquarters in San Francisco on Jan. 14, 2026. Anchor buckets offer longer-term places to park for commercial ships.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">The short answer is: yes, there is a parking lot, although mariners call them anchorages. The largest ship parking lot in the bay is called Anchorage 9, just south of the Bay Bridge and north of the San Mateo Bridge.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">In that area, there are 24 designated \u201canchor buckets\u201d where ships can drop anchor and be confident that even if they are buffeted by wind and current, there\u2019s no danger they will swing into another ship. They are arrayed in three rows of eight going north-south.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">The answer may seem simple, but the journey to arrive at this system is both tragic and riveting.<\/p>\n<p>\nStandard Oil collision\n<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">In the early morning hours of Jan. 19, 1971, two big oil tankers operated by Standard Oil were on the move. The Oregon was leaving Richmond headed towards the open ocean. The Arizona was heading into the bay.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Both ships contacted the Coast Guard for weather updates and information on other boat traffic initially, but as they neared the Golden Gate Strait, they stopped communicating. It was a night of thick fog. At around 1:45 a.m., disaster struck. A quarter mile west of the Golden Gate Bridge, the <a to=\"https:\/\/www.sfchronicle.com\/chronicle_vault\/article\/Chronicle-Covers-San-Francisco-Bay-s-oil-spill-6754542.php\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/www.sfchronicle.com\/chronicle_vault\/article\/Chronicle-Covers-San-Francisco-Bay-s-oil-spill-6754542.php\">two ships collided<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">\u201c800,000 gallons of petroleum spilled in the bay,\u201d said Gary Reed, Director of <a to=\"https:\/\/www.navcen.uscg.gov\/sites\/default\/files\/pdf\/VTS%20User%20Guides\/VTS_SF_UserManual_APR2025.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/www.navcen.uscg.gov\/sites\/default\/files\/pdf\/VTS%20User%20Guides\/VTS_SF_UserManual_APR2025.pdf\">Vessel Traffic Service San Francisco<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us-ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/07\/ShipParking-02-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-12092755\"  \/>Bulldozers were used to try and clean up oil-soaked sand at San Francisco\u2019s Ocean Beach in 1971.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Reed said back then the Coast Guard had two employees watching the radar at Fort Mason Center along the San Francisco waterfront. They could see the two ships moving on their display, but had no way of radioing them. Ships only checked in when they wanted to.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">\u201cThe two operators were trying to call the ships and trying to call the ships. They were just watching this slow train wreck about to happen,\u201d Reed said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Bay Area residents woke the next morning to oil on their beaches. Birds covered in oil were washing up on shore, unable to move. Standard Oil paid workmen to help clean up the beaches, but volunteers also came out in droves to help.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">The incident caught the attention of legislators in Washington, D.C. They passed the <a to=\"https:\/\/uscode.house.gov\/view.xhtml?path=\/prelim@title46\/subtitle7\/chapter700&amp;edition=prelim\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/uscode.house.gov\/view.xhtml?path=\/prelim@title46\/subtitle7\/chapter700&amp;edition=prelim\">Ports and Waterways Safety Act<\/a>, which created Vessel Traffic Services.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us-ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/07\/ShipParking-01-KQED.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-12092754\"  \/>Volunteers work to clean up oil washing up on Ocean Beach after a collision between two oil tankers under the Golden Gate Bridge spilled 800,000 gallons of oil into the bay in 1971.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Anchorage 7 is also used in emergencies. If a ship is coming into the bay and has an engine problem, VTS does not want that ship traveling under the Bay Bridge. They\u2019ll ask the ship to wait at Anchorage 7 until its engine is repaired.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">\u201cIt piques my attention when I see someone anchored there because it is very visible and it\u2019s highly susceptible to winds and currents,\u201d Reed said.<\/p>\n<p>\nConstant dredging\n<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">To keep Bay Area ports operating, the Army Corps of Engineers dredges the shipping channels on an <a to=\"https:\/\/www.epa.gov\/marine-protection-permitting\/sf-bay-ltms\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/www.epa.gov\/marine-protection-permitting\/sf-bay-ltms\">ongoing basis<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Some of the container ships that call at the Port of Oakland are longer than the Salesforce Tower is high. And when a ship that big is loaded up with cargo, it has a deep draft \u2014 meaning it sticks way down into the water and needs a deep channel.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">The stuff the Corps dredges up from the bottom of the bay is called \u201cspoils\u201d and is most often dumped offshore in the Pacific Ocean. Reed said the Army Corps of Engineers knows which parts of the bay are likely to have toxic or harmful materials and they test the spoils before deciding where to dump it.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us-ca\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/07\/260114-BarPilots-28-BL-KQED-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-12092759\"  \/>Ships anchored in the San Francisco Bay, in what are called anchor buckets, on Jan. 14, 2026. Anchor buckets offer longer-term places to park for commercial ships.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">But ultimately, the material has to go somewhere, so even stuff dredged up near former military sites does get dumped about 50 miles offshore.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">The rules governing the bay and the vessels on it often feel totally separate from Bay Area life lived on shore. For many, the complex work of the maritime industry is just a picturesque backdrop to the daily commute, a necessary but mysterious business. But knowing a bit more about how it all works might mean the next time you look out over the water you\u2019ll be able to say: \u201cAnchorage 9 is looking pretty full today.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\nEpisode transcript\n<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Olivia Allen-Price: I\u2019m Olivia Allen-Price. This is Bay Curious \u2013 the show that answers listener questions about the San Francisco Bay Area.<\/p>\n<p>Now, if you look out over that bay on any given day, and you\u2019ll see a lot of boat traffic. Ferries chugging along their routes, massive cargo ships headed to port, oil tankers on their way to Richmond, cruise ships unload passengers.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">And then weaving between those larger ships are sailboats tacking back and forth, Coast Guard boats patrolling the shoreline, kayakers, even swimmers! To an untrained eye, it can seem like absolute chaos.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Stephanie Rolfs has spent a lot of time looking at the ships on the bay.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Stephane Rolfs: I used to live in West Oakland, and during the pandemic, when we were all desperate to go outside, I started doing a little bit of jogging at Middle Harbor.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Olivia Allen-Price: Right near the Port of Oakland.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Stephane Rolfs: Involved a lot of staring at container ships going by.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Olivia Allen-Price: She also noticed the cargo ships further out, parked in the middle of the bay. And started wondering\u2026<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Stephane Rolfs: How do the cargo ships know where to park? And is there an invisible parking lot or some other system?\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Olivia Allen-Price: Stephanie is not the only one curious about how it all works out there. Her question won a Bay Curious voting round, so there are a lot of you with the same question. Here to answer Stephanie is Bay Curious editor and Producer Katrina Schwartz. Hey, Katrina!<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Katrina Schwartz: Hi, Olivia.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Olivia Allen-Price: You\u2019ve become quite the maritime expert over the last few months.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Katrina Schwartz: I know, I got to dig into how the bar pilots work and shadow one of them on a job for an episode that aired a few weeks ago.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Olivia Allen-Price: If you\u2019re interested in that episode, by the way, we\u2019ll put a link in our show notes.\u00a0But right now, let\u2019s get into Stephanie\u2019s question.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Katrina Schwartz: Well, before we get into where and how cargo ships park, I first need to tell you a little story that sets up how we got to the system we have today<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Olivia Allen-Price: OK, I\u2019m listening.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Katrina Schwartz: Allow me to set the scene\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Dramatic music<\/p>\n<p>Katrina Schwartz: It was a cold, foggy night in 1971\u2026the kind where you\u2019d be happy to be snuggled up at home. But a disaster was quietly unfolding in the bay, right under the Golden Gate Bridge. Two big oil tankers were heading in opposite directions\u2026<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Archival tape: The Oregon was moving out of the Gate and the Arizona was moving toward the Gate to come inside the bay. Both ships had been in touch with the Coast Guard for information on weather conditions and locations of ships.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Katrina Schwartz: But back then, there weren\u2019t as many safety protocols in place. So after checking in with the Coast Guard, both ships stopped communicating.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Archival tape: At about 1:45 Monday morning, the incoming Arizona rammed the Oregon port side, about a quarter mile west of the Golden Gate just opposite the center span. The two ships locked together with oil gushing from the gaping hole and drifted towards the south end of Angel Island.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Gary Reed: So 800,000 gallons of petroleum spilled in the bay.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Katrina Schwartz: That\u2019s Gary Reed. He works for the Coast Guard, managing Vessel Traffic Services in San Francisco. He knows this history intimately.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Gary Reed: Now the two operators were trying to call the ships and trying to call the ships; they were just watching this slow train wreck about to happen.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Katrina Schwartz: Gary told me that since ships only checked in when they wanted to\u2026there was no way to alert the two ships they were on a path to collision, even though the Coast Guard could see it all on the radar.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">San Franciscans woke up that Monday morning to oil on their beaches.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Archival tape: I went down to the beach, down to Ocean Beach, Monday afternoon at about 2 o\u2019clock. I swim in the ocean every day. And I go down there and see all this oil. It\u2019s just sick.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Katrina Schwartz: There was a huge outpouring of volunteers over the following days and weeks to not only help clean up oil, but to also try and save the birds that were so covered in oil they could barely move.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Archival tape: In addition to the 150 or so paid workmen, there were at least that many volunteers along the marina today. Most of them young, and many of them there to save the birds, which came floating in soaked in oil.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Olivia Allen-Price: Even though this is pretty recent history \u2013 1971 \u2013 I haven\u2019t heard about it before.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Katrina Schwartz: That\u2019s so often true of things that happened after the\u00a0\u201cpast\u201d we learn about in high school history class, right?<\/p>\n<p>Olivia Allen-Price: Yeah.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Katrina Schwartz: Well, I\u2019m telling you this story because it was a wake-up call for everyone around the country. Even Congress \u2014 all the way in D.C. \u2014 paid attention and eventually passed a law that created the Vessel Traffic Services or VTS. They made it mandatory for ships in every port throughout the country to participate in shore monitoring and to have the necessary radio equipment to communicate with VTS.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Gary Reed: So they made it mandatory for you to listen to a particular channel on the radio and follow the direction of the vessel traffic service. And in 1972, VTS San Francisco became the very first VTS in the United States.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Olivia Allen-Price: The very first VTS! That\u2019s kind of a claim to fame. Um, what does VTS do exactly?<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Katrina Schwartz: Well, they are basically air traffic control for ships. And they\u2019re important to Stephanie\u2019s question about parking in the bay because they communicate with ships coming in from the open sea, and manage the areas where they can park.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Olivia Allen-Price: So there IS a parking lot!<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Katrina Schwartz: There is, although in maritime lingo they call parking lots \u201canchorages.\u201d There are 30 anchorages, or zones,\u00a0in total. Most are in the main bay, and then others are scattered throughout the region\u2019s waterways.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Gary Reed: I would say technically you are not allowed to anchor anywhere outside of those anchorages.<br \/>Katrina Schwartz: And this is for big ships \u2013 recreational vessels like sailboats or yachts are another story.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Olivia Allen-Price: Tell me about a few of the most prominent anchorages we might see from shore.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Katrina Schwartz: OK, so, one of them is called Anchorage 5. It\u2019s just south of the Richmond Bridge. You\u2019ll often see tugboats parked there because when an oil tanker ship comes in, the tugboats are waiting to push it up alongside the oil terminals there in Richmond.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Gary Reed: Just west of Treasure Island, we have Anchorage 7. And that\u2019s the one that I think a lot of people, well, it piques my attention when I see someone anchored there because it is very visible and it\u2019s highly susceptible to winds and currents and all the weather aspects you can get outta that.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Katrina Schwartz: Gary says that one is temporary and is most often used by ships that are only going to be there a few hours while they bring on supplies. You won\u2019t see ships there all the time. But the area south of the Bay Bridge and north of the San Mateo Bridge is what most people see.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Gary Reed: And then the biggest one I think most people see when you\u2019re driving across the Bay Bridge, and you\u2019re looking south, you\u2019ll see what we call Anchorage 9, that is our parking lot. That\u2019s where the large ships go to await birth or make repairs or refuel. But that\u2019s our big one down there. That\u2019s our major parking lot.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Katrina Schwartz: Anchorage nine gets a lot of use by really large ships, so there are designated \u201cbuckets\u201d or spots where ships drop their anchors. And that\u2019s because if the weather is really bad and a ship is getting buffeted by the wind and is out at the end of its anchor chain that it\u2019s not going to hit anything nearby. All told, there are 24 of those \u201canchor buckets\u201d in Anchorage 9.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Olivia Allen-Price: Tell me a little more about how this whole parking lot system works. Is there a parking meter? A valet? Are we talking parallel parking or pull-in?<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Katrina Schwartz: Gary said in this system the\u00a0bar pilots are your very expert valets. They\u2019re those local mariners who specialize in this region. And they decide who parks where.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Gary Reed: They have a little bit more in-depth knowledge of where the ship is going, when does it need to be there, how deep is its draft and what is it carrying. I kind of think of it like the matrix. They\u2019re looking at all the windows. They know what\u2019s coming next and who\u2019s leaving next.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Katrina Schwartz: My first question was how much it costs to park at one of these anchorages, but Gary said the fee structure doesn\u2019t work the same way as a parking lot. Instead, the shipping companies pay the bar pilots a fee that\u2019s based on tonnage. They don\u2019t pay the Coast Guard anything for the actual harbor spot. But most ships don\u2019t want to sit around long in the harbor because that\u2019s money lost.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Olivia Allen-Price: We need to take a quick break, but when we come back we\u2019ll learn what makes this region so tricky to manage. Stay with us.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Sponsor Break<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Olivia Allen-Price: KQED is member-supported media. That means we don\u2019t have any shareholders to please or business conflicts that could affect our reporting. It\u2019s you we\u2019re serving \u2013 plain and simple. If that type of journalism sounds like your jam, consider becoming a member at <a to=\"http:\/\/donate.kqed.org\/podcasts\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/donate.kqed.org\/podcasts\">donate.kqed.org\/podcasts<\/a>.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">OK, now back to talking about all the boat traffic we see in the Bay with Bay Curious editor and producer Katrina Schwartz. So, we\u2019ve established that there IS a parking lot for the ships in the bay and that it\u2019s highly regulated because when ships collide, it can be catastrophic, as we saw in 1971. What makes this area so tricky for mariners?.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Katrina Schwartz: I\u2019m going to let Gary Reed, head of VTS, answer that.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Gary Reed: It is tricky because of the weather, and it\u2019s tricky, tricky, it\u2019s unique because of the different kinds of waters that we have. We have offshore, we have a bay, we have estuary, we have delta. I mean rivers that go all the way up to Sacramento and Stockton.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Katrina Schwartz: Gary compared it to the port in Long Beach, which actually does a lot more shipping than any of our ports, but is also simpler.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Gary Reed: Their area is very limited. They have about a 25-mile area that they monitor and manage. And we have 5,000 square miles that we monitor and manage.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Olivia Allen-Price: Wow, that\u2019s a huge difference.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Katrina Schwartz: Yes, and the waterways themselves in the Bay Area are complicated, with bridges, rivers, shallow areas, etc. It\u2019s part of the reason we have the bar pilots\u2026mariners with local knowledge who board every ship over a certain size and navigate it in and out of the bay. And many local disasters have happened in the fog. Like in 2007\u2026the Costco-Busan incident when an oil tanker clipped the Bay Bridge. So, Gary says now ships don\u2019t go under the bridge or leave anchor if visibility is less than half a nautical mile.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Gary Reed: One of our particular cameras is on Yerba Buena Island, and we can look out and see the Oakland Bay Bridge. And we know that if we can\u2019t see the Oakland Bay Bridge from our camera, then the visibility is such that people can\u2019t move.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Olivia Allen-Price: While we\u2019re talking about the bay, I want to ask another question that we get a lot from audience members. Many know that on average, the bay is actually pretty shallow, especially down in the South Bay. It can be only 12 feet deep or so. So some of our waterways are dredged. Explain what that is, who does it and how often?<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Katrina Schwartz: Dredging is the process of excavating the bay floor to make deeper shipping channels. The Army Corps of Engineers is responsible for dredging\u2026and they do it on an ongoing basis. Remember, many of these cargo ships are truly huge, like skyscrapers on their sides moving through the water. And they\u2019re carrying a lot of weight, which means\u00a0they also stick down into the water pretty far too\u2026that\u2019s called the ship\u2019s draft. Dredging shipping lanes that are deeper than the natural bay floor is the only way that these big container ships can continue to work here.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">And I did ask Gary where the Army Corps of Engineers dump the stuff they\u2019ve dredged up.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Gary Reed: [00:40:46] There is a spot off a Pacific beach that they can dump their spoils because what they\u2019re dredging is non-toxic. They\u2019re just putting dirt on dirt.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Katrina Schwartz: He also said if they\u2019re worried about toxins in dredged spoils, they\u2019ll test it first to make sure it won\u2019t damage the environment where they dump it.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Olivia Allen-Price: Alright, any last thoughts since you\u2019ve been immersed in the maritime world?<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Katrina Schwartz: One of the interesting things I learned that\u2019s a bit of a side note to the question is that the crews on foreign ships are not allowed off the vessel when they are at anchor or unloading because they are considered foreign nationals. But sometimes ships do sit at anchor for months at a time, which is obviously a tough situation for the folks on board. So, there\u2019s an organization\u2026 Seafarer\u2019s Ministry of the Golden Gate\u2026 whose mission is to check up on those folks, on the mental and physical well-being of crew members.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Olivia Allen-Price: I can\u2019t imagine being on a ship for weeks and weeks and then getting near land and having to look at it and not get off the ship.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Katrina Schwartz:\u00a0I know. And these people actually go onboard, they bring care packages and offer to listen or counsel crew members in their own languages. I\u2019m sure it\u2019s not enough, but at least it\u2019s something.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Olivia Allen-Price: Yeah, sounds like a really interesting job. Well, Katrina, thanks for your reporting.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Katrina Schwartz: My pleasure. These maritime jobs are really interesting. A totally different lifestyle than what a lot of us landlubbers are used to.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Olivia Allen-Price: That was Bay Curious editor and producer, Katrina Schwartz.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">This question was selected by you in a voting round on <a to=\"http:\/\/baycurious.org\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/baycurious.org\">BayCurious.org<\/a>. Be sure you never miss a voting round by subscribing to the Bay Curious newsletter.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">Bay Curious is made at member-supported KQED in San Francisco. Our show is produced by Katrina Schwartz, Christopher Beale, and me, Olivia Allen-Price. With extra support from Maha Sanad, Katie Sprenger, Jen Chien, Ethan Toven-Lindsey and everyone on team KQED.<\/p>\n<p class=\"blocks-v1-Paragraph-__Paragraph__paragraph wp-block wp-block-paragraph container\">I\u2019m Olivia Allen-Price. Have a great week.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"View the full episode transcript. 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