{"id":300227,"date":"2026-07-19T21:32:09","date_gmt":"2026-07-19T21:32:09","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us-ny\/300227\/"},"modified":"2026-07-19T21:32:09","modified_gmt":"2026-07-19T21:32:09","slug":"a-conversation-with-zohran-mamdani","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us-ny\/300227\/","title":{"rendered":"A Conversation with Zohran Mamdani"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"css-18blb2c e1me5xab0\">We\u2019re very close to a new World Cup champion, and Andy Burnham will take over as Britain\u2019s new prime minister today. More on that below. But first I want to tell you about my conversation with Zohran Mamdani, where we talked about football, Burnham and more.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-18blb2c e1me5xab0\">It\u2019s rare for American mayors to be household names outside the United States. But even for a New York City mayor, Mamdani has an unusually high global profile. Part of that is because of his international roots: He was born in Uganda to a family of prominent Indian immigrants. Part of that is his politics: His membership in the small but growing Democratic Socialists of America and his outspoken support for Palestinians have inspired progressives and alarmed conservatives around the world. And his viral videos have found an audience beyond New York.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-18blb2c e1me5xab0\">I got a chance to sit down with him while I was in New York last week, and I asked him about the World Cup, taxing the rich and Benjamin Netanyahu\u2019s upcoming visit to New York.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-18blb2c e1me5xab0\">(Our conversation has been edited and condensed for clarity.)<\/p>\n<p>Mamdani on Burnham, Netanyahu and the red card incident<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-18blb2c e1me5xab0\">One thing about America that\u2019s unique is that it has all these diasporas. We saw that in the World Cup. <a class=\"css-povzk\" href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/interactive\/2026\/06\/30\/us\/world-cup-fans.html\" title=\"\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Every team is a home team<\/a>. Who were your favorite fans?<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-18blb2c e1me5xab0\">It\u2019s true for the country; it\u2019s especially true for New York City, a city of 8.5 million people where more than 3 million New Yorkers were born outside of this country, myself included. You just have to go to the right neighborhood to experience that. If you want to watch Egypt, you should go to Steinway Street in Astoria. If you want to watch Colombia, you can go to Jackson Heights.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-18blb2c e1me5xab0\">I will give a special shout-out to the Norwegian fans, because it was the first time that Norway had been in a World Cup since \u201998, and so we didn\u2019t even have a sense of what Norwegian fan culture is. Wherever I was going I was seeing people rowing, and it was a testament to the way in which their run really swept up a lot of people. I\u2019m an Arsenal fan. I\u2019ve spent years both hating and fearing Erling Haaland, and this summer I fell in love with Erling.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-18blb2c e1me5xab0\">President Trump called the president of FIFA and asked him to review a U.S. player\u2019s suspension. Do you think it\u2019s appropriate for a leader of a country to make that ask?<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-18blb2c e1me5xab0\">I\u2019ll be honest with you, I think that so much of the coverage going into U.S.A. versus Belgium was about that red card being overturned. I thought it was a cruel red card at the time. And then all the lead-up to the game was simply about that phone call. And then the game itself left us heartbroken.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-18blb2c e1me5xab0\">What I appreciated was seeing Flo Balogun go up to the Belgian coach at the end of the game because sometimes these players are made to feel as if they\u2019re pawns in something much larger than themselves when in fact they should be center stage.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-18blb2c e1me5xab0\">There\u2019s something else I want to talk to you about. The center-left is struggling everywhere. Their voters feel let down, and some of them have swung to the right. Some of them have also swung further left, your voters included. Does your victory in New York translate overseas?<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-18blb2c e1me5xab0\">As much as we are New York exceptionalists, the struggle that New Yorkers are facing here is not a distinct one. It\u2019s a struggle to afford rent, child care, groceries, public transportation. That\u2019s a struggle working people are facing across the country and frankly across the world.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-18blb2c e1me5xab0\">And for a long time, especially here, the idea that democratic socialists could have answers to these struggles and a vision that could go beyond recognizing them and actually resolving them was treated as if it was an intellectual premise. And what we\u2019ve shown over the last six months is this is what it looks like if you operate with democratic socialist principles. You pay for more than 170,000 potholes. You put the city on a path to universal child care. You speed up the slowest buses in the country.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-18blb2c e1me5xab0\">I think what people are looking for is a politics that is relevant to their day-to-day life, and too often it feels as if those on the center-left are simply explaining why things are this way, as opposed to answering how we can make them better.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-18blb2c e1me5xab0\">What do you think about Andy Burnham?<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-18blb2c e1me5xab0\">I think it\u2019s an exciting thing to see any mayor anywhere continue to lead. I am a little disappointed to hear that he\u2019s an Everton fan, but it\u2019s something I respect because when you hear of someone who\u2019s a fan of a team that has struggled, you know that they\u2019re truly committed to that team.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-18blb2c e1me5xab0\">Ha! Do you think he represents the same left-wing politics that you represent?<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-18blb2c e1me5xab0\">I\u2019m excited to see what his leadership looks like for people across the U.K.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-18blb2c e1me5xab0\">A lot of people on the left are thinking about how to tax the wealthy without losing out on economic growth \u2014 because maybe there\u2019s capital flight. You\u2019ve just put in place a pied-\u00e0-terre tax. Did any millionaires call you, and how did those calls go?<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-18blb2c e1me5xab0\">I think whenever we talk about the importance of increasing taxes on the wealthiest in order for everyone to have a chance at affording life in the city, you will hear the idea of capital flight. And what we\u2019ve seen time and again is a lot of the fear-mongering is not actually borne out.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-18blb2c e1me5xab0\">I think, similarly, when we\u2019re talking about a proposal to tax the secondary homes of nonresident New Yorkers that are worth more than five million dollars, it\u2019s hard to find a New Yorker on the street who will tell you that\u2019s a step too far.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-18blb2c e1me5xab0\">Can I ask you something about the 250th anniversary of America? The ideals of the country are being contested right now. In fact it\u2019s contested what it means to be American. What does it mean to you?<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-18blb2c e1me5xab0\">It\u2019s a very American story to have been born in Uganda, come to the city at the age of seven, and now to be the mayor of that same city. It isn\u2019t a story that could be told many places in the world. And what we see is that the story of this country will always be contested. However, the struggle to live up to its ideals, that is a constant. And it\u2019s not an easy struggle, but it\u2019s one that all of us have the responsibility to play for.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-18blb2c e1me5xab0\">A lot of our readers know you as somebody who has criticized Israel and advocated for the rights of Palestinians. Are you going to divest New York City investments from Israel? Or arrest the Israeli prime minister when he\u2019s in town for the U.N. General Assembly in September, <a class=\"css-povzk\" href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2025\/09\/12\/nyregion\/mamdani-arrest-netanyahu-nyc-mayor.html?eafs_enabled=false\" title=\"\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">as you\u2019ve said you would<\/a>?<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-18blb2c e1me5xab0\">I\u2019ve been very clear that I believe that the age of a politics with exception is one that must come to an end. We\u2019ve seen for years people espouse ideals they claim to be universal and then they\u2019re willing to draw a line when it comes to the application of that to Palestinians.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-18blb2c e1me5xab0\">We\u2019re speaking about the World Cup. It\u2019s a moment where the entire world is celebrating this tournament. And even in that moment, the genocide continues for Palestinians. Even in that moment we see news of the Israeli military killing an Egyptian man who was in Gaza helping <a class=\"css-povzk\" href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2026\/07\/09\/world\/middleeast\/aid-worker-killed-israeli-strike.html\" title=\"\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">set up watch parties for the World Cup<\/a>. There\u2019s no answer or justification for that. [Israel has denied it is committing genocide in Gaza. The man recently killed was Palestinian, working for an Egyptian aid group.]<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-18blb2c e1me5xab0\">And if that means being clear about the fact that, yes, Netanyahu deserves to be in The Hague, I continue to believe that. And that international law is not a suggestion, it\u2019s something that we should all abide by.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-18blb2c e1me5xab0\">I think we\u2019re finding that not just around the world, but even around our city, our country, there are more and more people who say, I believe in human rights, and I believe it for all people and that includes Palestinians as well.<\/p>\n<p>MORE TOP NEWSTOP OF THE WORLD<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-18blb2c e1me5xab0\">The most clicked link in your newsletter Friday was about <a class=\"css-povzk\" href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/interactive\/2026\/06\/30\/us\/world-cup-fans.html\" title=\"\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">World Cup joy<\/a> in immigrant communities across the U.S.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-18blb2c e1me5xab0\">The Athletic timed every single World Cup \u201cgooooool\u201d call on the Spanish-language broadcaster Telemundo \u2014 all 307 of them over the 103 games ahead of Sunday\u2019s final. The longest was for a goal by Cura\u00e7ao\u2019s Livano Comenencia. Click through to <a class=\"css-povzk\" href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/athletic\/interactive\/fifa-world-cup-2026-telemundo-broadcast-goal-call-length-analysis\/\" title=\"\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">hear the full 52-second call<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>MORNING READ<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-18blb2c e1me5xab0\">My colleague Kashmir Hill, who covers technology and privacy, was surprised to find a short biography with an unusual subject \u2014 herself. \u201cThe book is flattering, fabricated and absolutely packed with em dashes,\u201d Kashmir writes. \u201cIt bears all the signs of A.I. slop.\u201d And it has a lot of company: The number of e-books published per month on Amazon has tripled since the release of ChatGPT. Read more about the biography and its inaccuracies, including <a class=\"css-povzk\" href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2026\/07\/16\/technology\/ai-slop-books-biography-amazon.html\" title=\"\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">how it claims Kashmir met her husband<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>AROUND THE WORLDDitching suits for shorts in Japan<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-18blb2c e1me5xab0\">After several summers of record-breaking heat, the Tokyo government is allowing workers in buttoned-up offices to wear shorts for the first time. The aim is to save money on air-conditioning and to make office life more comfortable, but the new policy is also prompting delicate questions about etiquette and hairy legs.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-18blb2c e1me5xab0\">\u201cEveryone says I look younger,\u201d one early adopter said. \u201cI seem more approachable. I feel I am helping relax the whole office.\u201d Would you ever wear shorts to work? <a class=\"css-povzk\" href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2026\/07\/19\/world\/asia\/japan-cool-biz-tokyo-shorts-heat.html\" title=\"\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Read more and tell us in the comments<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-18blb2c e1me5xab0\">This <a class=\"css-povzk\" href=\"https:\/\/cooking.nytimes.com\/recipes\/769539003-french-onion-rigatoni\" title=\"\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">one-pot French onion rigatoni<\/a> takes inspiration from French onion soup, relying on slow-caramelized onions, pasta starch and melted Gruy\u00e8re to create a rich and creamy sauce without flour. A reader tip for speeding up the caramelization process: <a class=\"css-povzk\" href=\"https:\/\/cooking.nytimes.com\/recipes\/769539003-french-onion-rigatoni#notes_section\" title=\"\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Add a teaspoon of sugar<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>WHERE IS THIS?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"We\u2019re very close to a new World Cup champion, and Andy Burnham will take over as Britain\u2019s new&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":300228,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[8],"tags":[1091,825,1445,9,24,55,54,56,89465,1446],"class_list":["post-300227","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","category-new-york-city","tag-democratic-socialists-of-america","tag-japan","tag-mamdani","tag-new-york","tag-new-york-city","tag-new-york-city-headlines","tag-new-york-city-news","tag-ny","tag-world-cup-2026-soccer","tag-zohran"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us-ny\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/300227","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us-ny\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us-ny\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us-ny\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us-ny\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=300227"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us-ny\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/300227\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us-ny\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/300228"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us-ny\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=300227"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us-ny\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=300227"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us-ny\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=300227"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}