{"id":374520,"date":"2026-10-16T04:36:23","date_gmt":"2026-10-16T04:36:23","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us-ny\/374520\/"},"modified":"2026-10-16T04:36:23","modified_gmt":"2026-10-16T04:36:23","slug":"katie-zacharia-admits-failing-bar-but-defends-calling-herself-a-lawyer","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us-ny\/374520\/","title":{"rendered":"Katie Zacharia Admits Failing Bar, but Defends Calling Herself a Lawyer"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"css-12m5bll evys1bk0\">Katie Zacharia, the new White House press secretary, confirmed on Thursday that she had never passed a bar exam or been an \u201cattorney,\u201d even while maintaining in her first extended interview since taking the job that she had not misrepresented her legal career.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-12m5bll evys1bk0\">Four days into her new role, Ms. Zacharia appeared on Real America\u2019s Voice before a friendly interviewer, addressing some of the controversies already swirling around her. She explained why her debut briefing was so short and why she <a class=\"css-povzk\" href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2026\/10\/13\/us\/politics\/katie-zacharia-white-house-first-briefing.html\" title=\"\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">seemed unprepared<\/a>. She also revealed who she hoped might play her on \u201cSaturday Night Live.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-12m5bll evys1bk0\">The interview was conducted by one of the Trump administration\u2019s favorite right-wing influencers, Jack Posobiec, who rose to prominence online by stoking conspiracies about pedophilia and Democratic elites \u2014 theories that Ms. Zacharia <a class=\"css-povzk\" href=\"https:\/\/edition.cnn.com\/2026\/10\/12\/politics\/kfile-katie-zacharia-deleted-tweets\" title=\"\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">once helped spread<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-12m5bll evys1bk0\">In the interview, Ms. Zacharia said she had sat for a bar exam but failed. Despite that, Mr. Trump has described her as \u201can attorney.\u201d The president has over the years repeatedly ridiculed Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris for failing a bar exam (both women eventually passed).<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-12m5bll evys1bk0\">Ms. Zacharia has identified herself in the news media as a \u201clawyer,\u201d and much of her defense of how she has represented herself seemed to rest on what she maintained was the difference between a \u201clawyer\u201d and an \u201cattorney.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-12m5bll evys1bk0\">Many legal experts have said this week that because she does not have a license to practice law, she is neither.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-12m5bll evys1bk0\">Under California law, \u201cone has to be licensed by the State Bar to practice law or hold oneself out as entitled to do so,\u201d said Jeremy Fogel, a retired federal judge who leads the Berkeley Judicial Institute. \u201cA person who has graduated from law school obviously has legal training, but the law doesn\u2019t authorize them to represent that they are an attorney or a lawyer.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-12m5bll evys1bk0\">Ms. Zacharia <a class=\"css-povzk\" href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2026\/10\/14\/us\/politics\/trump-press-secretary-katie-zacharia-lawyer.html\" title=\"\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">told The New York Times<\/a> on Wednesday evening that she was once advised by a president of Pepperdine University that it was OK for her to identify as a lawyer on television. She told Mr. Posobiec on Thursday that she \u201cconsulted for a very long time many people in the field\u201d and was told it was \u201cabsolutely\u201d acceptable to call herself a lawyer.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-12m5bll evys1bk0\">\u201cI never came across as someone who was an attorney at law,\u201d she said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-12m5bll evys1bk0\">In her brief conversation with The Times, Ms. Zacharia declined to say which president of Pepperdine had advised her. She graduated from law school there in 2011. Andrew K. Benton was the university\u2019s president at that time. In 2019, Jim Gash became the president.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-12m5bll evys1bk0\">Mr. Benton said in a phone call on Thursday that he was not the one who advised her, though he did call her \u201ca young woman of high integrity.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-12m5bll evys1bk0\">A representative for Mr. Gash said \u201che does not comment on private conversations,\u201d but released a statement from him: \u201cPepperdine is proud to count Katie among our alumni, former colleagues and friends. As she takes on this significant responsibility, we pray that God will grant her wisdom and courage. We look forward to seeing her use her incredible gifts and extensive experience in service to our nation.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-12m5bll evys1bk0\">In the interview with Mr. Posobiec, Ms. Zacharia also described the harried process of her hiring, hinting that she wasn\u2019t really ready for what was about to happen when she stepped up to the White House lectern for the first time.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-12m5bll evys1bk0\">She said she was taking her young son to a pumpkin patch last Wednesday when she got a phone call from the president.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-12m5bll evys1bk0\">\u201cI was very excited by this phone call from the president, and basically, in short order, flew out on Thursday to meet with him on Friday, and accepted the job on Friday,\u201d she said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-12m5bll evys1bk0\">The next day, she said she flew back to California to \u201cpack up all my suitcases, because I was only in D.C. with a carry-on bag at a hotel, and packed up two suitcases.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-12m5bll evys1bk0\">Monday was a federal holiday, \u201cbut he asked me to be in office on Monday, and Monday I showed up,\u201d she said. The next morning, she was standing before a room of journalists.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-12m5bll evys1bk0\">\u201cTypically, Jack, briefs are in the afternoon, 1 p.m., 1:30 p.m., where the press secretary has ample amount of time\u201d to prep, she said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-12m5bll evys1bk0\">\u201cI woke up at 3 in the morning on Tuesday to prepare with what I had,\u201d she added.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-12m5bll evys1bk0\">She took questions for less than six minutes and from only three outlets. She said this was because her new boss was scheduled to depart the White House later that morning, and she figured he\u2019d want some quality time with the press, too.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-12m5bll evys1bk0\">\u201cIt was absolutely my goal to keep it short, considering he is his own best spokesperson, and he would love, and does love, gaggling with the media as he goes to Marine One, and so I wanted to give ample deference, and not barge into his time,\u201d she explained.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-12m5bll evys1bk0\">The press secretary was upbeat in her interview with Mr. Posobiec, but did seem to understand that she was in the center of a full blaze media bonfire.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-12m5bll evys1bk0\">\u201cI\u2019m not watching anything right now, except what he\u2019s doing and focusing on, what the president\u2019s up to, and trying to amplify that,\u201d she said. \u201cI do not want to see any of the other X, or Instagram, or TV right now.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-12m5bll evys1bk0\">Mr. Posobiec surmised that \u201cSaturday Night Live\u201d was likely to take a whack at her and asked whom she would like to be portrayed by.<\/p>\n<p class=\"css-12m5bll evys1bk0\">\u201cI know it\u2019s coming, yes,\u201d she said. \u201cWho would I like to have play me? 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