{"id":182204,"date":"2026-02-27T01:38:07","date_gmt":"2026-02-27T01:38:07","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us-tx\/182204\/"},"modified":"2026-02-27T01:38:07","modified_gmt":"2026-02-27T01:38:07","slug":"what-and-where-is-the-border","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us-tx\/182204\/","title":{"rendered":"What and where is the border?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>We just talked live with journalist and author Jazmine Ulloa, whose new book, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.penguinrandomhouse.com\/books\/711804\/el-paso-by-jazmine-ulloa\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">El Paso: Five Families and One Hundred Years of Blood, Migration, Race, and Memory<\/a>, tells the story of her hometown as experienced by the people who helped build it. Ulloa, who has been a national political reporter for The Los Angeles Times and The Boston Globe and currently <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/by\/jazmine-ulloa\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">covers immigration for <\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/by\/jazmine-ulloa\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">The New York Times<\/a>, looks to tell a broader story about the American immigrant experience. Her history looks to the Southwest as well as Ellis Island, centers on how the Mexican and Chinese immigrants and fronterizas \u2014 the people who grew up on the border \u2014 shaped the United States, and posits El Paso as a capital city of the way we understand and misunderstand the border today. We talked about:<\/p>\n<p>The revolutionary histories of El Paso and Ciudad Ju\u00e1rez<\/p>\n<p>How the border went from being \u201cjust a line in the sand\u201d to a militarized frontier<\/p>\n<p>Why conflicts over immigration have always been about the control of labor<\/p>\n<p>What\u2019s new and what\u2019s familiar in Donald Trump\u2019s mass deportation project <\/p>\n<p>How Border Patrol and ICE have taken advantage of the \u201ctwilight zone\u201d between domestic and foreign policy to turn immigration enforcement inward <\/p>\n<p>What she\u2019s learned reporting on the federal occupation of Minneapolis and from the people there who have come together to defend their neighbors<\/p>\n<p>And how the bigger story of immigration challenges and expands our understanding of who Americans are and what American culture really is<\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.penguinrandomhouse.com\/books\/711804\/el-paso-by-jazmine-ulloa\/\" data-component-name=\"Image2ToDOM\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" class=\"image-link image2 is-viewable-img can-restack\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us-tx\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/https:\/\/substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com\/public\/images\/6d2a47cc-af08-410b-aeba-6b294ffbdb0c_464x.jpeg\" width=\"464\" height=\"700\" data-attrs=\"{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https:\/\/substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com\/public\/images\/6d2a47cc-af08-410b-aeba-6b294ffbdb0c_464x700.jpeg&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:700,&quot;width&quot;:464,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;El Paso by Jazmine Ulloa&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;El Paso by Jazmine Ulloa&quot;,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:&quot;https:\/\/www.penguinrandomhouse.com\/books\/711804\/el-paso-by-jazmine-ulloa\/&quot;,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:false,&quot;topImage&quot;:true,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}\" alt=\"El Paso by Jazmine Ulloa\" title=\"El Paso by Jazmine Ulloa\"   fetchpriority=\"high\" class=\"sizing-normal\"\/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>If you\u2019re looking to know more about the history of North American immigration and how we\u2019ve gotten to our current crisis, you won\u2019t want to miss this conversation. 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