The Garmin holiday sale has some fantastic early Black Friday deals, and if you’ve been waiting for a premium Fenix 8 or Forerunner 965, now’s the time. But as someone who’s tested most recent Garmin watches from the past few years, my first recommendation would be the Forerunner 265 for outdoor athletes or the Venu 3 for indoor athletes.

Right now, the Garmin Forerunner 265 is $299 ($150 off) at Best Buy, while the Garmin Venu 3 is $349 ($100 off).

Forerunner 265 vs. Venu 3 guide breaks down how these two “classics with plenty left in the tank” compare. The Forerunner 265 is more specialized, focusing on training above everything else, while the Venu 3 slacks on workout recs but offers major upgrades for health data, style, and smarts.

Garmin Venu 4 vs. 3 and decide that you need the newer model, which has the style of a Venu but the smarts of a Forerunner; or you’d rather save even more money and go for the Vivoactive 6, which is currently $100 less than the Venu 3 with similar software.

The Forerunner 265 and Venu 3 don’t have cutting-edge tools you’d get on the newer models, but you don’t necessarily need every new Garmin tool to improve as an athlete; they have the essentials, and I loved them when I reviewed them both. Just because I have fancier models now doesn’t change the fact that they got me motivated to get faster and lose weight.

So if you’re looking for a reasonably-priced Garmin watch deal that strikes a balance between affordability and usefulness, the Venu 3 or Forerunner 265 are where you should start.