{"id":263104,"date":"2025-10-31T15:33:08","date_gmt":"2025-10-31T15:33:08","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/263104\/"},"modified":"2025-10-31T15:33:08","modified_gmt":"2025-10-31T15:33:08","slug":"physicists-just-ruled-out-the-universe-being-a-simulation-sciencealert","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/263104\/","title":{"rendered":"Physicists Just Ruled Out The Universe Being a Simulation : ScienceAlert"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>A question that has vexed physicists for the past century may finally have a solution \u2013 but perhaps not the one everyone was hoping for.<\/p>\n<p>In a new, detailed breakdown of current theory, a team of physicists led by Mir Faizal of the University of British Columbia has shown that there is no universal &#8220;Theory of Everything&#8221; that neatly <a href=\"https:\/\/www.sciencealert.com\/radical-new-theory-could-finally-unite-the-two-biggest-frameworks-in-physics\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">reconciles general relativity with quantum mechanics<\/a> \u2013 at least, not an algorithmic one.<\/p>\n<p>A natural consequence of this is that the Universe <a href=\"https:\/\/www.sciencealert.com\/the-universe-is-suspiciously-like-a-computer-simulation-physicist-says\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">can&#8217;t be a simulation<\/a>, since any <a href=\"https:\/\/www.sciencealert.com\/gravity-may-be-a-clue-that-the-universe-is-a-giant-computer\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">such simulations<\/a> would have to operate algorithmically.<\/p>\n<p>Related: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.sciencealert.com\/slime-mould-algorithm-reconstructs-the-cosmic-web-from-set-of-galactic-coordinates\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Slime Mold Has Been Used to Recreate The Invisible Web Holding Our Universe Together<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&#8220;We have demonstrated that it is impossible to describe all aspects of physical reality using a computational theory of quantum gravity,&#8221; <a href=\"https:\/\/news.ok.ubc.ca\/2025\/10\/30\/ubco-study-debunks-the-idea-that-the-universe-is-a-computer-simulation\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Faizal says<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Therefore, no physically complete and consistent theory of everything can be derived from computation alone. Rather, it requires a non-algorithmic understanding, which is more fundamental than the computational laws of quantum gravity and therefore more fundamental than spacetime itself.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>One of the most pernicious thorns in our understanding of how everything works is the insoluble relationship between the seamless fabric of spacetime and the fuzzy duality of quantum mechanics. We know that the Universe does function, but the mathematics used to describe each realm collapses when applied to the other.<\/p>\n<p>Physicists have long sought a mathematical solution  \u2013 a so-called <a href=\"https:\/\/www.sciencealert.com\/mathematical-discovery-reveals-quantum-gravity-could-emerge-from-a-holographic-universe\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">quantum gravity<\/a>, or <a href=\"https:\/\/www.sciencealert.com\/breakthrough-gravity-explanation-is-a-step-closer-to-theory-of-everything\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Theory of Everything<\/a> \u2013 that would allow physics to smoothly transition between  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.sciencealert.com\/general-relativity\" class=\"lar_link lar_link_outgoing\" data-linkid=\"73026\" data-postid=\"179709\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_self\">general relativity<\/a> and quantum theory.<\/p>\n<p>Faizal and his colleagues highlighted popular attempts to resolve problems with this transition, like  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.sciencealert.com\/string-theory\" class=\"lar_link lar_link_outgoing\" data-linkid=\"73058\" data-postid=\"179709\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_self\">string theory<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Loop_quantum_gravity\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">loop quantum gravity<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>These propose spacetime and quantum fields emerge from a foundation of pure information, beyond which nothing exists \u2013 described succinctly by <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/John_Archibald_Wheeler\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">American theoretical physicist John Wheeler<\/a> as getting an &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1142\/S0218271819501293\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">it from a bit<\/a>&#8220;.<\/p>\n<p>Yet there are good reasons, the team says, that &#8220;its&#8221; can&#8217;t come from &#8220;bits&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/1761924786_538_0.jpg\" alt=\"YouTube Thumbnail\" tabindex=\"0\" role=\"button\" class=\"youtube-thumbnail-preview\" loading=\"lazy\"\/> frameborder=&#8221;0\u2033 allow=&#8221;accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share&#8221; referrerpolicy=&#8221;strict-origin-when-cross-origin&#8221; allowfullscreen&gt;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Drawing on mathematical theorems related to incompleteness and indefinability, we demonstrate that a fully consistent and complete description of reality cannot be achieved through computation alone,&#8221; <a href=\"https:\/\/news.ok.ubc.ca\/2025\/10\/30\/ubco-study-debunks-the-idea-that-the-universe-is-a-computer-simulation\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Faizal explains<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;It requires non-algorithmic understanding, which by definition is beyond algorithmic computation and therefore cannot be simulated. Hence, this Universe cannot be a simulation.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Arguing that the information from which reality emerges would need to be both fundamental and finite, the physicists turned to mathematicians <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Kurt_G%C3%B6del\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Kurt G\u00f6del<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Alfred_Tarski\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Alfred Tarski<\/a>, and <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Gregory_Chaitin\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Gregory Chaitin<\/a> to interrogate their hypothesis.<\/p>\n<p>These three theoreticians \u2013 the latter two operating in the first half of the 20th century, and Chaitin from the 1960s \u2013 independently showed that there are hard limits to our ability to understand the Universe.<\/p>\n<p>G\u00f6del&#8217;s famous 1931 <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">incompleteness theorems<\/a> showed that any consistent mathematical system will contain true statements that nevertheless cannot be proven using its own rules. Tarski&#8217;s 1933 <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Tarski%27s_undefinability_theorem\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">undefinability theorem<\/a> showed that an arithmetical system cannot define its own truth.<\/p>\n<p>Finally, Chaitin&#8217;s <a href=\"https:\/\/ncatlab.org\/nlab\/show\/Chaitin%27s+incompleteness+theorem\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">incompleteness theorem<\/a> \u2013 which is similar to G\u00f6del&#8217;s work \u2013 shows that there&#8217;s a hard upper limit to how much complexity a formal algorithmic system can describe.<\/p>\n<p>Using these logical theorems, the researchers find that physics itself cannot be fully computable. They propose that the only way to resolve a Theory of Everything is to add a non-algorithmic layer above the algorithmic one to create a Meta Theory of Everything, or MToE.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.sciencealert.com\/spark-into-space-comp\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Mid-Article-Promo-Astro-642x272.jpg\" alt=\"Win a $10,000 Space Coast Adventure Holiday\" width=\"642\" height=\"272\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-177074 size-medium\"   loading=\"lazy\"\/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This meta-layer would be able to determine what&#8217;s true from outside the mathematical system, giving scientists a way to investigate phenomena such as the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.sciencealert.com\/physicists-think-they-ve-cracked-hawking-s-famous-paradox-using-quantum-hair\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">black hole information paradox<\/a> without violating mathematical rules.<\/p>\n<p>And, of course, it puts to bed that pesky problem of whether we&#8217;re actually &#8220;real&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Any simulation is inherently algorithmic \u2013 it must follow programmed rules,&#8221; <a href=\"https:\/\/news.ok.ubc.ca\/2025\/10\/30\/ubco-study-debunks-the-idea-that-the-universe-is-a-computer-simulation\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Faizal says<\/a>. &#8220;But since the fundamental level of reality is based on non-algorithmic understanding, the universe cannot be, and could never be, a simulation.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>The research has been published in the <a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.22128\/jhap.2025.1024.1118\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Journal of Holography Applications in Physics<\/a>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"A question that has vexed physicists for the past century may finally have a solution \u2013 but perhaps&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":263105,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[49],"tags":[1352,199,79],"class_list":{"0":"post-263104","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-physics","8":"tag-msft-content","9":"tag-physics","10":"tag-science"},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/263104","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=263104"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/263104\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/263105"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=263104"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=263104"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=263104"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}