{"id":267116,"date":"2025-11-02T15:27:07","date_gmt":"2025-11-02T15:27:07","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/267116\/"},"modified":"2025-11-02T15:27:07","modified_gmt":"2025-11-02T15:27:07","slug":"sunday-standings-most-models-dont-like-the-pens-chances-despite-hot-start","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/267116\/","title":{"rendered":"Sunday Standings: Most models don\u2019t like the Pens\u2019 chances despite hot start"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">It was a mostly successful week for the Penguins, all things considered. Pittsburgh went 2-1-1 on the week, which saw them play three games on the road and against three teams who qualified for the playoffs last season. Not bad for a team that hasn\u2019t had two consecutive days without games since October 19+20. Do that all year, and it would be a 102 point-pace in tough circumstances.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">As a result, the Pens are still hanging around the top of the division for another week. Their goal differential of +10 is the top in the division, a very encouraging sign. By the time their road trip ends tomorrow, they will have played almost double the games on the road as they have at home (9-5 split, following the upcoming game in Toronto), which also is a testament to an impressive performance so far.<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"_1eezmj01\" href=\"https:\/\/platform.pensburgh.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/123\/2025\/11\/pitnhl.jpg?quality=90&amp;strip=all&amp;crop=0,0,100,100\" data-pswp-height=\"547\" data-pswp-width=\"1263\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer nofollow noopener\"><img alt=\"\" data-chromatic=\"ignore\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-nimg=\"fill\" class=\"w91vxg0\" style=\"position:absolute;height:100%;width:100%;left:0;top:0;right:0;bottom:0;color:transparent;background-size:cover;background-position:50% 50%;background-repeat:no-repeat;background-image:url(&quot;data:image\/svg+xml;charset=utf-8,%3Csvg xmlns='http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg' %3E%3Cfilter id='b' color-interpolation-filters='sRGB'%3E%3CfeGaussianBlur stdDeviation='20'\/%3E%3CfeColorMatrix values='1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 100 -1' result='s'\/%3E%3CfeFlood x='0' y='0' width='100%25' height='100%25'\/%3E%3CfeComposite operator='out' in='s'\/%3E%3CfeComposite in2='SourceGraphic'\/%3E%3CfeGaussianBlur stdDeviation='20'\/%3E%3C\/filter%3E%3Cimage width='100%25' height='100%25' x='0' y='0' preserveAspectRatio='none' style='filter: url(%23b);' href='data:image\/png;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAAEAAAABCAQAAAC1HAwCAAAAC0lEQVR42mN8+R8AAtcB6oaHtZcAAAAASUVORK5CYII='\/%3E%3C\/svg%3E&quot;)\"   src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/pitnhl.jpg\"\/><\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">Pittsburgh has cleared the first unofficial and informal hurdle of the \u201cNovember 1st\u201d rule, as made popular by Elliotte Friedman. The rule says that any team that is 4+ points behind the playoff line at the start of November 1st rarely are able to overcome the deficit. Then again, as of today on November 2nd, every team in the East is within four points of the current final Wild Card spot \u2014 which might speak to just how close and competitive the conference is this year. Over in the Western Conference three teams are in the danger zone for this metric \u2014 San Jose, Calgary and St. Louis are all four points or more back from the playoff line today.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">That first early season indicator is there to confirm suspicions for teams going into the year that aren\u2019t very good and already falling behind the pack more than it is to validate teams who have started off hot. It usually takes more data and in towards Thanksgiving to look and see just how much the hot starts can last through 20+ games.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">As such, with a lack of data in (the Pens have completed 15.8% of the schedule so far), much of the modelling are still not believers or buying into Pittsburgh\u2019s hot start turning into full-season success.<\/p>\n<p>Playoff odds by various models<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">Hockey Reference: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.hockey-reference.com\/friv\/playoff_prob.fcgi\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">69.3%<\/a>, points 97.0<br \/>Moneypuck: <a href=\"https:\/\/moneypuck.com\/predictions.htm\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">30.2%<\/a> points: 89.1<br \/>The Athletic: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/athletic\/6694758\/2025\/10\/07\/nhl-2025-26-stanley-cup-playoff-chances-and-projected-standings\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">20.0%<\/a>, points: 82.6 (updated Nov 1)<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">It\u2019s interesting to see which models put a lot of emphasis on the results that have come in (Hockey Reference) and which ones are being more stubborn to cling to future projected strengths to tip the tables by the end of the year (The Athletic). <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/athletic\/author\/dom-luszczyszyn\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Dom Luszczyszyn<\/a>\u2019s model still has the Rangers (56%) and shoot even the Buffalo Sabres (38%) with better chances of getting to the playoffs then the Pens, the starts apparently not meaning much. And we haven\u2019t used the data to refresh for today after a Pittsburgh loss yesterday.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">On the other side of the spectrum, Hockey Reference is already comfortable with calling the Pens a 97-point team \u2014 which might be prematurely generous at bound to swing back the other way with a losing streak. Stepping back, I\u2019m not sure the Pens have done enough with their process and high PDO to fully drink the kool aid and believe they can stay this strong for six more months, but hey, it\u2019s nice that at least some statistical model out there is buying into the results that unfolded in October.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">Somewhere in the middle is Moneypuck, whose model has actually come around on the Penguins quite a bit. This model was only giving the Penguins a <a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/MoneyPuckdotcom\/status\/1974957618285490510\" rel=\"nofollow\">7.6% projection<\/a> to make the playoffs at the start of the season, their lowest in the Eastern Conference and third lowest in the NHL, only in front of Chicago and San Jose. Pittsburgh\u2019s climb has been slow, and they\u2019ve still only worked up past NYI, Philadelphia and Boston in the model\u2019s eyes, but they are slowly starting to add confidence by getting their percentages to rise slowly.<\/p>\n<p class=\"duet--article--dangerously-set-cms-markup duet--article--standard-paragraph _1nfb3k4i _16w9vov1 _16w9vov0 ls9zuh1\">The good news for the Pens is that the models won\u2019t decide the playoffs, the outcomes from the games will. So far that has been mostly in their favor with a fun and successful October that wildly exceeded all expectations. The longer they can sustain that, the quicker we will get to the Thanksgiving benchmark in a few weeks and see how Pittsburgh stacks up as far as turning this hot start into building a possible foundation for a realistic run back at the playoffs.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"It was a mostly successful week for the Penguins, all things considered. 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