{"id":298812,"date":"2025-11-18T09:17:18","date_gmt":"2025-11-18T09:17:18","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/298812\/"},"modified":"2025-11-18T09:17:18","modified_gmt":"2025-11-18T09:17:18","slug":"oracles-astonishing-300bn-openai-deal-is-now-valued-at-minus-74bn","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/298812\/","title":{"rendered":"Oracle\u2019s astonishing $300bn OpenAI deal is now valued at minus $74bn"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Stay informed with free updates<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__content-sign-up-topic-description o3-type-body-base\">Simply sign up to the Technology sector myFT Digest &#8212; delivered directly to your inbox.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s too soon to be talking about the Curse of OpenAI, but we\u2019re going to anyway. <\/p>\n<p>Since September 10, when Oracle announced a $300bn deal with the chatbot maker, its stock has shed $374bn in market value:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#3450308\"><\/p>\n<p class=\"o-message__content-main\">Some content could not load. Check your internet connection or browser settings.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/https:\/\/public.flourish.studio\/story\/3450308\/thumbnail\" alt=\"\"\/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>OK, yes, market caps don\u2019t work like that and the post headline is clickbait. But equivalents to Oracle shares are little changed over the same period (Nasdaq Composite, Microsoft, Dow Jones US Software Index), so neither is it entirely wrong. Oracle\u2019s \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.ft.com\/content\/86895a63-2c5b-4aea-b385-418130b64996\" title=\"\" data-trackable=\"link\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">astonishing quarter<\/a>\u201d really has cost it as much as one <a href=\"https:\/\/markets.ft.com\/data\/equities\/tearsheet\/summary?s=DELL:NYQ\" title=\"\" data-trackable=\"link\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Dell<\/a>, or two <a href=\"https:\/\/markets.ft.com\/data\/equities\/tearsheet\/summary?s=ebay:nsq\" title=\"\" data-trackable=\"link\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">eBays<\/a>. <\/p>\n<p>Investor unease stems from Big Red betting a debt-financed data farm on OpenAI, as <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ft.com\/content\/583e9391-bdd0-433e-91e0-b1b93038d51e\" title=\"\" data-trackable=\"link\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">MainFT reported<\/a> last week. We\u2019ve nothing much to add to that report other than the below charts showing how much Oracle has, in effect, become OpenAI\u2019s US public market proxy: <\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#26278964\"><\/p>\n<p class=\"o-message__content-main\">Some content could not load. Check your internet connection or browser settings.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/https:\/\/public.flourish.studio\/visualisation\/26278964\/thumbnail\" alt=\"\"\/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The theory goes that OpenAI is in a rush to define discover AGI, and Oracle is uniquely able to scale the compute capacity it needs. Oracle promises the lowest upfront costs and fastest path to income generation among the hyperscalers because it\u2019s a data centre tenant rather than the landlord. <\/p>\n<p>Alternatively, Oracle doesn\u2019t have as much operating profit to burn as its competitors, so is throwing everything it can at supporting its one big customer in exchange for an IOU:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#26279965\"><\/p>\n<p class=\"o-message__content-main\">Some content could not load. Check your internet connection or browser settings.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/https:\/\/public.flourish.studio\/visualisation\/26279965\/thumbnail\" alt=\"\"\/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>At an analyst day last month in Las Vegas, Oracle said it was aiming for cloud computing revenue of $166bn by 2030:<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/https:\/\/d1e00ek4ebabms.cloudfront.net\/production\/73cc4098-a2ec-4934-becb-f20505362b21.png\" alt=\"\" data-image-type=\"image\" width=\"1156\" height=\"627\" loading=\"lazy\"\/>\u00a9 Oracle company presentation<\/p>\n<p>To get there, Oracle\u2019s capex budget for the current financial year ending May is $35bn. The consensus has annual capex levelling out at around $80bn a year in 2029, after which revenues continue to ramp:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#26283610\"><\/p>\n<p class=\"o-message__content-main\">Some content could not load. Check your internet connection or browser settings.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/https:\/\/public.flourish.studio\/visualisation\/26283610\/thumbnail\" alt=\"\"\/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>And from 2027, the majority of revenue would be coming from OpenAI:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#26284410\"><\/p>\n<p class=\"o-message__content-main\">Some content could not load. Check your internet connection or browser settings.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/https:\/\/public.flourish.studio\/visualisation\/26284410\/thumbnail\" alt=\"\"\/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>But Oracle\u2019s net debt is already at 2.5 times ebitda, having more than doubled since 2021, and it\u2019s expected to nearly double again by 2030. Cash flow is forecast to remain negative for five straight years:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#26280511\"><\/p>\n<p class=\"o-message__content-main\">Some content could not load. Check your internet connection or browser settings.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/https:\/\/public.flourish.studio\/visualisation\/26280511\/thumbnail\" alt=\"\"\/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>So while the OpenAI agreement has been more than written off the equity, the risk of unfunded expansion remains and the cost of hedging Oracle debt is at a three-year high. <\/p>\n<p><a href=\"#26292276\"><\/p>\n<p class=\"o-message__content-main\">Some content could not load. Check your internet connection or browser settings.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/https:\/\/public.flourish.studio\/visualisation\/26292276\/thumbnail\" alt=\"\"\/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>We need to add the usual warnings: Credit-default-swap <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ft.com\/content\/e5f64cf4-7f63-4455-96bb-e7132e0e8a32\" title=\"\" data-trackable=\"link\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">liquidity isn\u2019t great<\/a>; the increased demand for Oracle CDS comes after <a href=\"https:\/\/www.datacenterdynamics.com\/en\/news\/oracle-takes-on-18bn-in-debt-ahead-of-ai-data-center-build-out\/\" title=\"\" data-trackable=\"link\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">$18bn of bond sales in September<\/a>; a CDS premium in the low 100 basis points isn\u2019t that exciting; and some firms <a href=\"https:\/\/www.reuters.com\/business\/finance\/weinsteins-saba-sells-credit-derivatives-big-tech-as-ai-risks-grow-source-says-2025-11-17\/\" title=\"\" data-trackable=\"link\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">taking the other side of the trade<\/a> are no mugs. Still, pointy.<\/p>\n<p>Beyond the charts, a broader question relates to whether an OpenAI deal is still worth announcing. <\/p>\n<p>A few months ago, any kind of agreement with OpenAI could make a share price go up. OpenAI did very nicely out of its power to reflect glory, most notably in October when it <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ft.com\/content\/bfafd06e-0a92-4add-9ae5-622e3c2c8f29\" title=\"\" data-trackable=\"link\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">took AMD warrants<\/a> as part of a chip deal that bumped share price by 24 per cent.<\/p>\n<p>But Oracle is not the only laggard. <a href=\"https:\/\/openai.com\/index\/openai-and-broadcom-announce-strategic-collaboration\/\" title=\"\" data-trackable=\"link\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Broadcom<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ft.com\/content\/74d79365-efdc-4446-b0ed-d53ad4b55f59\" title=\"\" data-trackable=\"link\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Amazon<\/a> are both down following OpenAI deal news, while Nvidia\u2019s barely changed since its <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ft.com\/content\/d3caeac1-def8-45ae-b56b-e34c7c435ccc\" title=\"\" data-trackable=\"link\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">investment agreement<\/a> in September. Without a share price lift, what\u2019s the point? A combined trillion dollars of AI capex might look like commitment, but investment fashions are fickle.<\/p>\n<p>Further reading:<br \/>\u2014 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.ft.com\/content\/86895a63-2c5b-4aea-b385-418130b64996\" title=\"\" data-trackable=\"link\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Oracle\u2019s astonishing jam-tomorrow OpenAI trade<\/a> (FTAV)<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Stay informed with free updates Simply sign up to the Technology sector myFT Digest &#8212; delivered directly to&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":298813,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[45],"tags":[182,181,507,74],"class_list":{"0":"post-298812","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-artificial-intelligence","8":"tag-ai","9":"tag-artificial-intelligence","10":"tag-artificialintelligence","11":"tag-technology"},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/298812","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=298812"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/298812\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/298813"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=298812"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=298812"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=298812"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}