{"id":301834,"date":"2025-11-19T20:40:09","date_gmt":"2025-11-19T20:40:09","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/301834\/"},"modified":"2025-11-19T20:40:09","modified_gmt":"2025-11-19T20:40:09","slug":"calm-down-universe-as-a-simulation-is-mathematically-impossible","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/301834\/","title":{"rendered":"Calm Down, Universe as a Simulation Is Mathematically Impossible"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>It\u2019s likely to come up around 3 a.m.\u2014 six beers or cups of bad coffee later \u2014 in a long discussion among frosh: Our universe is a simulation. Controlled by intelligent aliens no doubt\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Yeah, just like in the\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.imdb.com\/list\/ls073555125\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Terminator<\/a>\u00a0series.\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/terminator.fandom.com\/wiki\/Skynet\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Skynet,<\/a>\u00a0you know\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Yeah, Skynet\u2026<\/p>\n<p>Go to Bed<\/p>\n<p>At\u00a0Science Daily,\u00a0the University of British Columbia (Okanagan)\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.sciencedaily.com\/releases\/2025\/11\/251110021052.htm\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">reports<\/a>\u00a0that new research suggests that the idea that the universe is a simulation is mathematically impossible.<\/p>\n<p>By applying advanced mathematical principles, including G\u00f6del\u2019s incompleteness theorem, they proved that any consistent and complete model of existence requires what they call \u201cnon-algorithmic understanding.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>To grasp this idea, imagine how a computer works \u2014 it follows a set of defined instructions step by step. Yet, some truths exist that cannot be reached by following any sequence of logical operations. These are known as \u201cG\u00f6delian truths,\u201d and while they are real, they cannot be proven using computation.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cPhysicists prove the Universe\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.sciencedaily.com\/releases\/2025\/11\/251110021052.htm\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">isn\u2019t a simulation<\/a>\u00a0after all,\u201d November 10, 2025<\/p>\n<p>Mathematician\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.ias.edu\/kurt-g%C3%B6del-life-work-and-legacy\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Kurt G\u00f6del<\/a>\u00a0(1906\u20131978), who originated the idea the researchers are referring to,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/mindmatters.ai\/2021\/03\/how-kurt-godel-destroyed-a-popular-form-of-atheism\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">destroyed<\/a>\u00a0an important branch of materialist atheism (logical positivism). The authors offer an example of his thinking:<\/p>\n<p>Consider the statement, \u201cThis true statement is not provable.\u201d If it were provable, it would be false, contradicting logic. If it cannot be proven, then it is true, which means any logical system attempting to prove it is incomplete. In either case, computation alone falls short.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe have demonstrated that it is impossible to describe all aspects of physical reality using a computational theory of quantum gravity,\u201d says Dr. Faizal. \u201cTherefore, no physically complete and consistent theory of everything can be derived from computation alone. Rather, it requires a non-algorithmic understanding, which is more fundamental than the computational laws of quantum gravity and therefore more fundamental than spacetime itself.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.sciencedaily.com\/releases\/2025\/11\/251110021052.htm\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">\u201cIsn\u2019t a simulation\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p>We Don\u2019t Often Hear Physicists Arguing for Plato\u2019s Universe \u2026<\/p>\n<p>But times are changing:<\/p>\n<p>The team\u2019s findings rest on the evolving understanding of what reality truly is. Physics has moved far beyond Isaac Newton\u2019s view of solid objects moving through space. Einstein\u2019s theory of relativity replaced that classical model, and quantum mechanics transformed it yet again. Now, at the forefront of theoretical physics, quantum gravity proposes that even space and time are not fundamental elements. Instead, they arise from something deeper \u2014 pure information.<\/p>\n<p>Physicists describe this informational layer as a \u201cPlatonic realm,\u201d a mathematical foundation more real than the physical world we perceive. According to the new research, it is from this realm that space and time themselves emerge.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.sciencedaily.com\/releases\/2025\/11\/251110021052.htm\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">\u201cIsn\u2019t a simulation\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p>This isn\u2019t the materialist view we are accustomed to hearing:<\/p>\n<p>Co-author Dr. Lawrence M. Krauss notes that the implications of this finding extend deep into the foundations of physics. \u201cThe fundamental laws of physics cannot be contained within space and time, because they generate them. It has long been hoped, however, that a truly fundamental theory of everything could eventually describe all physical phenomena through computations grounded in these laws. Yet we have demonstrated that this is not possible. A complete and consistent description of reality requires something deeper \u2014 a form of understanding known as non-algorithmic understanding.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.sciencedaily.com\/releases\/2025\/11\/251110021052.htm\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">\u201cIsn\u2019t a simulation\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Information and Intelligent Design<\/p>\n<p>Some people would be surprised to find one of the authors,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.worldsciencefestival.com\/participants\/lawrence_krauss\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Lawrence Krauss,<\/a>\u00a0espousing such a position, given his\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/inference-review.com\/article\/cosmology-without-design\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">past reflections.<\/a>\u00a0The idea that information underlies the universe is compatible with the very intelligent design theory he has opposed in the past.<\/p>\n<p>From the open access\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/jhap.du.ac.ir\/article_488.html\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">paper<\/a>:<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 G\u00f6del\u2019s incompleteness theorems , Tarski\u2019s undefinability theorem, and Chaitin\u2019s information-theoretic incompleteness establish intrinsic limits on any such algorithmic program. Together, these results imply that a wholly algorithmic \u201cTheory of Everything\u2019\u2019 is impossible: certain facets of reality will remain computationally undecidable and can be accessed only through non-algorithmic understanding . We formalize this by constructing a \u201cMeta-Theory of Everything\u2019\u2019 grounded in non-algorithmic understanding, showing how it can account for undecidable phenomena and demonstrating that the breakdown of computational descriptions of nature does not entail a breakdown of science. Because any putative simulation of the universe would itself be algorithmic, this framework also implies that the universe cannot be a simulation.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Mir Faizal, Lawrence M Krauss, Arshid Shabir, Francesco Marino. Consequences of\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/jhap.du.ac.ir\/article_488.html\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Undecidability in Physics<\/a>\u00a0on the Theory of Everything. Journal of Holography Applications in Physics, 5(2), 10-21 DOI: 10.22128\/jhap.2025.1024.1118\u201c<\/p>\n<p>If Ideas Are Real, Too, as Plato Believed<\/p>\n<p>At\u00a0Science Alert,\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.sciencealert.com\/michelle-starr\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Michelle Starr<\/a>\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.sciencealert.com\/physicists-just-ruled-out-the-universe-being-a-simulation\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">notes,<\/a>\u00a0\u201cA question that has vexed physicists for the past century may finally have a solution \u2014 but perhaps not the one everyone was hoping for.\u201d She explains,<\/p>\n<p>Using these logical theorems, the researchers find that physics itself cannot be fully computable. They propose that the only way to resolve a Theory of Everything is to add a non-algorithmic layer above the algorithmic one to create a Meta Theory of Everything, or MToE.<\/p>\n<p>This meta-layer would be able to determine what\u2019s true from outside the mathematical system, giving scientists a way to investigate phenomena such as the black hole information paradox without violating mathematical rules.<\/p>\n<p>And, of course, it puts to bed that pesky problem of whether we\u2019re actually \u201creal\u201d.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u201cPhysicists Just Ruled Out The Universe\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.sciencealert.com\/physicists-just-ruled-out-the-universe-being-a-simulation\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Being a Simulation,\u201d<\/a>\u00a0November 1, 2025<\/p>\n<p>Yes. We are real and Skynet isn\u2019t.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Well, okay, wait. Skynet\u00a0is\u00a0real \u2014 in the sense that it is an idea in someone\u2019s head that became a popular movie franchise. So ideas and movies are\u00a0both\u00a0real, just in different ways.<\/p>\n<p>Notice, we seem a long way now from the once-dominant science view of\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/plato.stanford.edu\/entries\/materialism-eliminative\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">eliminative materialism<\/a>\u00a0in which philosophers argued that human consciousness was not even real. If information underlies the universe, there isn\u2019t any point to claiming that any more.<\/p>\n<p>Cross-posted at Mind Matters News.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"It\u2019s likely to come up around 3 a.m.\u2014 six beers or cups of bad coffee later \u2014 in&hellip;\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":301835,"comment_status":"","ping_status":"","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[49],"tags":[199,79],"class_list":{"0":"post-301834","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-physics","8":"tag-physics","9":"tag-science"},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/301834","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=301834"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/301834\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/301835"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=301834"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=301834"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=301834"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}