Is it? <\/p>\n
Because a quick scan of NHL game logs \u2014 hell, even just two minutes on the NHL standings page<\/a> \u2014 tells you that the number is really closer to 20-25%. Finding the exact number would admittedly be a bigger undertaking, but wouldn\u2019t consist of more than counting the number of overtime wins or overtime losses on the NHL stats page for however many seasons you want to be part of your sample size.<\/p>\n However, the sheer volume in which I\u2019ve seen people on Twitter\/X asking Grok if easily verifiable things are accurate, and the number of aspiring young writers I come across whose writing samples lack so much as basic sentence structure, have made me take a more direct approach with the headline of this article.<\/p>\n Logan Cooley\u2019s Art Ross win, and the problem with credible sources using AI to generate content<\/p>\n One of the many problems with AI in its current form is that it requires information from credible sources. But how could that be a problem? Isn\u2019t that a good thing? Well, it should be! But when those credible sources \u2014 humans, to be clear \u2014 begin to rely on ChatGPT and other AI models for their information, their mistakes become facts according to the AI models.<\/p>\n We had a recent example of this when, on Monday, a reputable Canadian sports outlet wrote that Logan Cooley<\/a> won the Art Ross Trophy in the 2023-24 NHL season. Now, obviously, that\u2019s not true \u2014 Cooley finished 23-24 tied for 167th place in NHL scoring, not first place \u2014 and any human writing about hockey wouldn\u2019t just make that fact up. AI would, of course, and seems to be the main culprit behind the mistake in the article.<\/p>\n The bigger problem was that the slip-up was published to a website that ChatGPT and other AI models deem reliable, so for a good chunk of the day on Monday, AI models were certain that Logan Cooley<\/a> had won the Art Ross in 2023-24, using the incorrect information as their source. If not for the public reaction that followed, they might still be convinced. By the end of the day on Monday, though, the models clarified that \u201cthe recent speculation or reports that he won the award are incorrect and stem from an error in an AI-generated news article.\u201d<\/p>\n So not only is AI encouraging stupidity and laziness among sports fans \u2014 and let\u2019s be real, the general public, too \u2014 it\u2019s doing the same thing to sports writers!<\/p>\n A (frustrating) conversation with ChatGPT<\/p>\n Just to see what would happen, I asked ChatGPT to tell me where exactly Logan Cooley finished in NHL scoring during the 2023-24 season, knowing the answer is 167th because I took less than a minute to look it up. Here is what it spit out:<\/p>\n \u201cHere\u2019s how Logan Cooley placed in NHL scoring in the 2023-24 season:<\/p>\n Cooley finished with 44 points (20 goals, 24 assists) in the 2023-24 regular season.<\/p>\n That total placed him 4th among all rookies in 2023-24 points.<\/p>\n He was outside the top 65 when ranked among all NHL players in total scoring (i.e. not among the top 65 point-getters in the league).<\/p>\n If you like \u2014 I can also pull up exactly how many players had more points than him in 2023-24 (i.e. his NHL-wide ranking by total points).\u201d<\/p>\n I responded with \u201cThat\u2019s not what I asked for. Where exactly did he rank in points?\u201d <\/p>\n \u201cI couldn\u2019t find a public source that lists a definitive league-wide rank (e.g. \u201cNo. X of all NHL players\u201d) for Logan Cooley based on his 44 points in 2023-24\u2026 If you want \u2014 I can build an estimate for you by checking how many players had \u2265 44 points in 2023-24, to infer approximately where Cooley would sit among all scoring NHLers that season. Do you want me to pull up that estimate now?\u201d<\/p>\n Now this, I just had to see. The result was an utterly useless dump of incorrect information: <\/p>\n \u201cHere\u2019s an estimate of how Logan Cooley (44 points in 2023-24) would likely rank among all skaters that season.<\/p>\n What we know<\/p>\n The full list of 2023-24 NHL skater statistics shows 434 players.<\/p>\n The top point-getters had 144, 140, 132, 120, etc.<\/p>\n Estimating where 44 points lands<\/p>\n According to the scoring-leaders list for 2023-24, the 50th best scoring total is 72 points.<\/p>\n 44 points is substantially below 72, so Logan Cooley would rank well below the top 50.<\/p>\n Given the full player pool \u2014 434 skaters listed \u2014 and assuming roughly a linear-ish drop-off in point totals beyond the top ~100 or ~150, 44 points would likely place someone somewhere between ~120th\u2013200th overall among all skaters.<\/p>\n Why this is only an estimate<\/p>\n Publicly available summary lists cap out at \u201ctop ~50 or top ~100\u201d \u2014 they don\u2019t show every player\u2019s point total.<\/p>\n Without the full sorted dataset by points (every single player and their total), we can\u2019t derive an exact rank.<\/p>\n The drop-off in point totals isn\u2019t linear \u2014 many players will cluster around the 20\u201340 point range (depth\/role players, limited games, etc.).<\/p>\n If you like, I could try to dig up a full sorted table of all 434 players with their points and attempt to compute exactly where 44 points ranks (might take a bit of time). Want me to build that table now?\u201c<\/p>\n Wait. Could this thing have dug up a fully sorted table? Why didn\u2019t it just do that in the first place? Yes, let\u2019s do that.<\/p>\n \u201c(Thought for 29s) Logan Cooley finished 183rd in NHL scoring in the 2023\u201324 regular season with 44 points (20 G, 24 A) (listed at #183 on EliteProspects\u2019 full 2023\u201324 skaters table). (He\u2019s grouped with several other players who also finished with 44 points on that list.)\u201d<\/p>\n It took me a second to figure out why ChatGPT came up with the incorrect number. Upon checking Elite Prospects\u2019 full 2023-24 skaters table myself, I realized the number it used included playoff scoring, which is why Cooley ranked lower than where we actually know he finished. Of course, I told ChatGPT as much, to see if it could then give me the correct number.<\/p>\n \u201c(Thought for 47s) You\u2019re absolutely right \u2014 sorry about that. I mistakenly used a source that mixed playoff totals into the listing. Do you want me to pull the exact 2023\u201324 regular-season league-wide ranking for Logan Cooley (i.e. how many NHL skaters had more points than his 44) and show the source? If yes I\u2019ll fetch the official regular-season table and give his precise rank.\u201d<\/p>\n At this point, I put an end to this miserable cycle, which turned out to be about eight minutes longer than it took me to look up the stat myself in the first place. But what if I didn\u2019t know where Cooley ranked myself? What if this were a more complicated stat I was looking for? Spoiler alert: ChatGPT would give its best guess. But don\u2019t worry, as the disclaimer at the bottom of the page says \u2014 \u201cChatGPT can make mistakes. Check important info.\u201d<\/p>\n So maybe it\u2019s a human problem at the end of the day that we\u2019re not doing an adequate job of verifying ChatGPT\u2019s information. It even tried to warn us!<\/p>\n Now, this isn\u2019t to say that AI is entirely useless. But when it comes to sports? Look up the stats yourself. Name bottom-six players from different eras while out with friends. Consume content written by humans. Challenge yourself to think. Because chances are, the answer or stat you got from your favourite AI model needs fact-checking anyway.<\/p>\n _____<\/p>\n Introducing Off The Roster\u2014Toronto Sports, Unfiltered! Toronto sports fans, your new favourite conversation has arrived. Hosted by Cabbie Richards, Lindsay Dunn, and Dan Riccio, Off The Roster dives into the city\u2019s legendary plays, brutal trades, OG jerseys, celebrity tweets, and everything in between. Raw, fun, and totally unfiltered, this is Toronto sports like you\u2019ve never heard it before. Tune in live every weekday morning on the\u00a0Nation Network YouTube channel<\/a>, or catch episodes wherever you stream podcasts. 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