CLEVELAND, Ohio \u2014 The Guardians are quietly assembling a bullpen that could double as a basketball roster. In their latest move, Cleveland signed ex-Pirates right-hander Colin Holderman to a $1.5 million one-year deal, continuing a clear pattern in their relief pitcher acquisitions this offseason.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n
\u201cSix foot six, 230 pounds, throws about 97 miles an hour, sinker, slider, cutter. He fits the mold, is the way to say it. Right up there with Hunter Gaddis, Cade Smith and newly signed Connor Brogdon, who\u2019s also 6 foot 6. They\u2019re putting together quite a basketball team out there in the bullpen,\u201d noted Joe Noga on the latest Cleveland Baseball Talk Podcast.<\/p>\n
This methodical approach has seen the Guardians add three relievers in quick succession. Before the winter meetings, they signed Brogden (who pitched in the World Series with Philadelphia in 2022) to a contract just under $1 million. During the Rule 5 draft, they selected Peyton Pallette from the White Sox, a high-strikeout prospect who cost them $100,000. Now with Holderman\u2019s addition, the bullpen competition is heating up.<\/p>\n
What\u2019s particularly fascinating is how Cleveland is approaching bullpen construction from a financial perspective. Instead of re-signing Jakob Junis, who had a solid 2025 season (4-1, 2.97 ERA, 57 appearances), they\u2019ve essentially acquired three potential contributors for approximately the same price.<\/p>\n
\u201cYou don\u2019t bring Junis back, but you bring back three guys on about the same amount of money. Now that you sort of peel back that curtain, you can see how they\u2019re operating,\u201d Noga observed.<\/p>\n
While other teams make headlines with splashy signings like Edwin Diaz or Robert Suarez, the Guardians operate differently. They work in the shadows and on the margins, finding value where others might not look. It\u2019s a strategy that has kept them competitive despite budget constraints.<\/p>\n
The back end of the bullpen appears set with Cade Smith, Hunter Gaddis, and Eric Sabrowski handling leverage situations. But the competition for middle-inning roles will be fierce with Matt Festa, Tim Herrin, and now Holderman, Brogden, and possibly Pallette all in the mix.<\/p>\n
What about Trevor Stephan, who struggled after Tommy John surgery? <\/p>\n
\u201cHe\u2019s going to have to complete that rehab. He\u2019s still trying to get back and velocity is a big key for him to get that back. I\u2019m sure he\u2019s going to get a shot in spring training,\u201d explained Paul Hoynes.<\/p>\n
The 30-year-old Holderman brings experience, having made 58 appearances in 2023 and 55 in 2024 for Pittsburgh. With his high-90s fastball and mix of secondary pitches, he could potentially fill the role vacated by Junis.<\/p>\n
For fans wondering if this signals the end of Cleveland\u2019s offseason moves, Hoynes doesn\u2019t think so: \u201cI don\u2019t think the heavy lifting is done yet. I would hope not.\u201d<\/p>\n
Want to hear more insights on the Guardians\u2019 bullpen strategy and other hot stove moves? Listen to the full Cleveland Baseball Talk Podcast episode for detailed analysis of the team\u2019s offseason approach and what might come next.<\/p>\n
Podcast transcript<\/p>\n
Joe Noga: Welcome back to the Cleveland Baseball Talk Podcast. I\u2019m Joe Noga, joined by Paul Hoynes. Hoynsie, the bullpen construction continues for the Guardians. They go out and they sign Pirates right hander Colin Holderman. He gets a reported $1.5 million one year deal to join the bullpen. You know, it seems like a theme that we\u2019re sticking with all, all this offseason with these, these right handed relievers in the Guardians bullpen. Six foot six, 230 pounds, throws about 97 miles an hour, sinker, slider, cutter. This is, he fits the mold I guess is the, is the way to, the way to say it. Right up there with Hunter Gaddis, Cade Smith and newly signed Connor Brogden, who\u2019s also 6 foot 6. They\u2019re putting together quite a basketball team out there in the bullpen.<\/p>\n
Paul Hoynes: Joe. You know, they said they wanted to add to the bullpen going into the winter meetings and even before that. And the Guardians certainly are living up to their word in that regard. You know, three guys, three new additions to the pen in about the last couple. Right. So I don\u2019t know how many more guys they can add but you know, they certainly are going to have, you know, a group to pick and choose from in spring training and you know, they, they felt they needed depth there and, and, and some more arms and they\u2019ve added to it and it\u2019s going to be interesting to see just how this shakes out. Joe, who are, who are going to be the eight guys?<\/p>\n
Joe Noga: Yeah, I mean before the winter meeting started, they, they signed Connor Brogden, former Angels reliever and you had spent some time and actually pitched in the World Series with Phil a few years back. Brogdon, they sign before the winter meetings to a major league contract just under a million dollars. Peyton Paulette, they pluck off of the White Sox unprotected roster in the Rule 5 draft. This is a guy with a high strikeout potential, you know, a former high draft pick for them and you know he\u2019s a guy who\u2019s going to have a chance to make the major league roster for the Guardians having, you know, spent $100,000 to, to select him and if he makes the, the big league roster and then sticks with the club the for the entire season they get to keep him like they did Trevor, Trevor Stephan a few years ago and then Holderman now, now that the winter meetings are over, they\u2019ve, you know, they said they weren\u2019t done in adding to that bullpen. They said they, they intended to keep making Additions there and they, they were true to their word. So now, yeah, it\u2019s starting to get a little crowded. A lot of 6 foot 6 right handers out there. We know that the back end is going to feature Cade Smith, Hunter Gaddis, and you know, to, to some degree Eric Zabrowski, wherever he fits in, in leverage situations as long as he\u2019s healthy. But in front of that you need a, you need guys to get them the ball and this is how they\u2019re going to try and do it.<\/p>\n
Paul Hoynes: Yeah, Joe, you know, you add Matt Feste in there, you know, probably what, in the sixth, seventh inning, as you said, Sobrowski, lefty in there, mix him into that. Tim Heron, you know, was kind of up and down a little bit last year, but made over 50 appearances, I believe. Another lefty that had the, you know, the great season in 2024, along with, you know, so many other guys in that pen, you know, so. And you know, you\u2019ve got a swing guy maybe. And in Cantillo, we don\u2019t know how this rotation is going to shake out, but we do know they\u2019ve got maybe six or seven starters for five spots and Cantillo has shown he can do a little, you know, he can do both, so both roles. So you know that that\u2019s going to give him an edge, I think.<\/p>\n
Joe Noga: In, in what about Trevor Stephan coming off of an injury year, you know, having had the surgery more than a year ago and really struggling to sort of regain his velocity? Yeah, I don\u2019t think he\u2019s not on the 40 man roster. He\u2019ll probably get an invite to spring training to try and prove himself. But the guardians still owe Trevor Stephan some money.<\/p>\n
Paul Hoynes: Yeah, they owe him 3.5 million for the upcoming season. You know, they outright him late last year off the 40 man. But yeah, you hit it on the head, Joe. He\u2019s going to have to complete that, you know, rehab from Tommy John. You know, this is a classic example of, you know, everyone, every pitcher that undergoes that surgery comes back at, at their own pace. You see Shane Bieber and, and, and you know, Stefan had that surgery what about a month apart in 2024 and Bieber is pitching in Game 7 of the World Series and Stefan is still trying to get back and velocity is a big, to get that back. You know, didn\u2019t need him to get his strike throwing ability back and I\u2019m sure he\u2019s going to get a shot in spring training, but they need to see the, you know, the Trevor Stephan that kind of earned that four Year contract a few years ago from Cleveland.<\/p>\n
Joe Noga: Let\u2019s, you know, focus here a little bit on Holderman, who they just signed. 30 years old, was in. Spent his, his career mostly with the Pirates. I think the, the Mets drafted him originally and then he was dealt to Pittsburgh for Daniel Vogelbach at one point at a trade deadline, I think in 20, 21 or 22. But he had a couple of good years really as a, you know, prolific guy in terms of innings and strikeouts for Pittsburgh. Is this the kind of guy that could fill a spot and fill a need in that bullpen in terms of just giving you a couple innings there? Maybe not in leverage situations to start off with, but once he earns sort of that trust from, from Stephen Vogt, if he\u2019s able to do that, I.<\/p>\n
Paul Hoynes: Think for sure, Joe, you know, this is a guy, you know, when you look at his, you know, his baseball, the back of his baseball card, he made 58 appearances and 23, 55 and in 24, only 24 and this past season. But you know, they, he\u2019s. He kind of. It would be nice if he could feel that role left by Jacob Junas. You know, Junas had a great year last season. 4 and 1.2.97 ERA, 57 appearances. So if he could slot in right there, is that, that right hander where, you know, kind of you could use him in multiple different roles. That would be ideal. And, and Joe, the one thing you got to say about the Guardians, they get three relievers that could fit in their big league bullpen and all it cost them was like 2.5 million. DOL. Math is right, and that\u2019s always debatable. But you know, Poet is a hundred grand. You know, Brogdon is 900 grand and Holderman gets 1.5. So really, you know, they, they\u2019re, they\u2019re finding some value hopefully in those three.<\/p>\n
Joe Noga: Relievers that, that price will go up if, if Paulette makes the roster and has to get paid the major league minimum. So obviously, you know, his salary would, you know, slot right in there with, with all the other young players on the roster. But so a little bit, a little bit over 3 million, I guess, would be what, what they\u2019re paying them. And, and that\u2019s what you would have paid Jacob Junas if he had signed a similar contract to what he had the year before. So. So really you, you don\u2019t bring Junas back, but you bring back three guys on about the same amount of money. I can see, you know, now that you sort of peel back that curtain do you see how the, the, how things work there and how they\u2019re operating? I get it. Chris Antonetti might turn off trying to make the resources that they have there. Yeah. It\u2019s not a super flashy signing. It\u2019s not a big headliner. Obviously, you know, Edwin Diaz gets the big money and Robert Suarez signs yesterday in, in what, Atlanta? So, you know, he\u2019s, you know, they\u2019re the big names are, are off the board at the top of the, the relief pitching market. But the guardians sort of work in the shadows and working the margins there and that\u2019s where they, they make their money and they make their big moves. So. So really, you know, it funny to point out, I think I saw on social media there were a couple of posts about the, the outside of the ballpark at Progressive Field. We talked about there being some players in town to work on swing camps and throwing programs. There are posters, I believe, along East 9th, giant posters on the, on the outside of the building. Stephen Kwan, Jose Ramirez, Tanner Bibby. Emmanuel Clase had a poster that has since been taken down from the side of the building there. It\u2019s been replaced. Do you want to guess with the name of the. And the likeness of the player that\u2019s replaced Emmanuel Class A in that spot?<\/p>\n
Paul Hoynes: I don\u2019t know, Joe. Give me, give me a hint.<\/p>\n
Joe Noga: Well, it\u2019s the most logical one you can think of. It\u2019s Cade Smith. However, the, the photo isn\u2019t the bearded Cade Smith that we saw on the the Guardian social media post from earlier in the week. Kate Smith choosing to grow out the facial hair in, in the winter. You know, maybe that\u2019s a Vancouver thing, who knows. But Kate Smith taking his place on the, the wall outside the, the ballpark there. So yeah, that gives you a little bit of an indication do we always like to play the game in February of you know, who\u2019s going to be on the out on the COVID of the media guide from year to year. This, this past year, heck it was. It was some newspaper clippings. I think Emmanuel Clase had a spot on the, on the COVID of the the media guide, but slowly beginning to, to wipe him from the. The archives here I think are the guardians knowing that the writing is on the wall.<\/p>\n
Paul Hoynes: Yeah. You know, with Class A and Luis Ortiz headed for trial after being indicted for gambling charges. Joe, that\u2019s it\u2019s going to be. That\u2019s. That\u2019s going to. That\u2019s going to be. Take a long time to play out, I believe. Yeah. Those two, you know, they, if you\u2019re the Guardians, you have to plan your season without those two guys. And when you think about the COVID of the media guy for 2026, I think one guy will be on there, Jose Ramirez and another guy, probably Cage Smith. I would think that\u2019s a pretty good chance. And Quan as well, if Stephen is still here.<\/p>\n
Joe Noga: Yeah, Quan\u2019s the one I\u2019m going to be wondering about because, you know, the media guide is still the media guide in August and after the trade deadline, you want to be looking at it and saying, hey, he\u2019s not around anymore. Which is a strong possibility. The other face that was on the front of the media guide this past year was Tom Hamilton because it was in anticipation of his trip to Cooperstown. So we won\u2019t talk about whether or not they\u2019re gonna put Hornsy on the COVID of the media guy. That\u2019d be, that, that would be a step. I\u2019m just saying that would be something. I mean, there have been pictures of you on the inside as a, as a BBWA officer, but, you know, putting you on the front page, man, that, that\u2019d be, that would be a step.<\/p>\n
Paul Hoynes: Yeah, that\u2019s a war of the world. So we\u2019d have people running down the street screaming, trying to get out of town.<\/p>\n
Joe Noga: Cataclysmic event. All right, so the bullpen still something that they\u2019re concerned about and still, you know, this is the ongoing debate all off season. Will they add a bat at some point? Will they add, will they bring in a veteran outfielder somewhere, somebody who can hit in the middle of the lineup? Even if it\u2019s not, you know, a permanent, long lasting solution there, they still want to keep the Runway clear for guys like Chase Dilaud or George Valera. Those guys, you know, we, we have a couple of months here to, to continue that discussion and see if any signings happen. But what, what\u2019s your feeling right now? Do you think any, any, do you think they\u2019re, you know, done in that regard or are they going to keep trying to look to make moves?<\/p>\n
Paul Hoynes: Yeah, I would think they keep trying to make moves. Fill out that, you know, fill out the, the training camp roster. I think they\u2019ll bring a couple bats in, I would think, Joe. I mean, not, you know, like you said, you know, not primary, legitimate everyday hitters, but guys that might, may be able to supplement this lineup while not, you know, taking advance away from their primary prospects. And I think they\u2019ll bring in some start. I think they\u2019ll bring in more pitching, you know, maybe a starter or two to, you know, Just to add some depth. But you know, I would, I don\u2019t think the heavy lifting is done yet. I would, I would hope not. Joe. I think, you know, but, but you know, again, you know, they are so committed to these young guys that on the offensive side they might not do too much after this.<\/p>\n
Joe Noga: One name and one veteran here that would, would have fit that mold and a guy that was around all year last year. We actually had this same conversation about him at this time last year. Lane Thomas. Unfortunately his season derailed in large part by plantar fasciitis and injuries. You know, a hand injury early in the year and then the plantar fasciitis, which limited him to what, less than 40 games for the entire season. Guy who they, you know, had. Had really hoped would be able to, to sort of fill the exactly that role for them. Last year he, I guess overnight signed with Kansas City. So we\u2019ll, we\u2019ll still get to see Lane Thomas, I guess. What do you think of Lane Thomas joining the Royals and what can he do there?<\/p>\n
Paul Hoynes: Yeah, I think, you know, they, they were looking for outfield help. Joe, The Royals, they spent a lot of time there. Their offense is, is almost as struggles last season, almost as much as Cleveland\u2019s, maybe more so in, in different areas. So that does not surprise me that they signed Lane Thomas. I hope Thomas is healthy. Just. Boy he had a terrible, you know, he just had terrible luck last season. The broken, the broken hand or not the broken hand, but he hits on the hand at the home opener. Then you know, the plantar fasciitis. He only plays like 37 games. We really don\u2019t get to, he doesn\u2019t get to help the guardians at all. So hopefully he\u2019s healthy and he has a, has a, has a bounce back year because he needs one.<\/p>\n
Joe Noga: Yeah, that\u2019s a guy can hit, you know, 20 home runs. It can steal 30 bases in a season when he\u2019s healthy and able to do that. Has a pretty decent arm, can. Can run a little bit in the outfield. Obviously Kansas City\u2019s got, you know, one of the biggest outfields in baseball. Just if, if he works out for the Royals, that\u2019s a, it\u2019s a good signing. One year, 5.2 mil, 5.25 million with incentives is, is what\u2019s being reported. I just, I think the Lane Thomas\u2019s time in Cleveland, I, I think it run its course and, and you know, the, the train was coming with guys like DeLauer and Valera and, and others. You know, you got to find a Place for Angel Martinez somewhere, maybe that center field. So yeah, Elaine Thomas was, it was not gonna fit in the Guardians plans again this year.<\/p>\n
Paul Hoynes: Yeah, definitely. It was just a shame he got hurt, Joe, because he could have really helped them last year. I think that\u2019s why, you know, the Guardians really kind of signed him, brought him back, you know, because they saw what he could do in stretches down the, down the stretch in 2024 in the postseason. He was a valuable member of that club, but he just couldn\u2019t stay on the field.<\/p>\n
Joe Noga: Yeah, it\u2019s. No one will Forget the, the 2024 playoff Lane Thomas and what he was able to deliver for this club. It\u2019s you know, some of the biggest home runs, some of the biggest moments of that postseason. But obviously just, you know, it\u2019s unfortunate that it didn\u2019t work out with the injury history there. All right. Saw a tweet from Jeff Passon about, you know, Stephen Vogt and the manager of the year award and Pat Murphy. Both of them won consecutive years American and National League Managers of the year. And right now it\u2019s being reported that Pat Murphy doesn\u2019t have a contract or is, is working in a lame duck year, you know, and, but Stephen Vogt may or may not be in the same situation. He was on a three year deal signed in November of 2023 that would take him through the end of the 2026 season. It\u2019s sort of understood after we met with the, the front office at the end of the playoff run with the Guardians that that votes contract situation either already had been resolved or you know, would be resolved soon. Whether he signed an extension, you know, sort of, you know, winking a nod, assuring us that he would be in a Guardian\u2019s uniform for several years to come. But really nothing official, nothing announced. And that\u2019s sort of the, the Guardian\u2019s MO lately is that they\u2019ve, they\u2019ve really not announced manager or front office contract extensions. Coinsey, why do you think that is?<\/p>\n
Paul Hoynes: You know, I\u2019m not sure Joe. I mean they usually, in the past I thought they\u2019ve usually announced the extensions for the manager but you know, for the front office. As long as I\u2019ve covered the team, they have never announced an extension for, you know, Chris Antonetti, Mark Shapiro, maybe with John Hart, I can\u2019t remember for sure or Danny o\u2019. Dowd. But you know, in the most recently, you know, with Mike Chernoff and Antonetti and Matt Foreman, this front office, they have not announced, you know, extensions. I don\u2019t know if that\u2019s you know, they just want to keep all the focus on the players or they just want to give that, you know, that impression of stability inside and outside the organization.<\/p>\n
Joe Noga: I mean, giving that, that feeling of a stable front office continuity there and the, you know, that the manager is in place and that he\u2019s got security and you know, that, that speaks to the clubhouse as well. If you\u2019ve got a manager who you know is going to be there, that that\u2019s important to the players as well. You know, why wouldn\u2019t they want to, you know, talk about that and have that out there as a headline or a story? I, I, that\u2019s confusing to me in, in, in that regard. But as far as, you know, votes certainly done everything and more that you could do as a manager in his first two years to earn some sort of, you know, big contract extension. I mean, I would be walking into negotiations there and just saying, hey, look, you know, this is, what more do you want me to do?<\/p>\n
Paul Hoynes: Yeah, he\u2019s one manager of the year. Both years he\u2019s been a manager, he\u2019s taken his team to division titles and the postseason. Yeah. Joe, I was told, you know, at, toward, right after the season or at, you know, after the end of the season that, you know, they expect Stephen Vogt to be managing here for a long, long time. So they weren\u2019t, you know, I\u2019m sending an extension, but the impression was that either he had made the, made a deal already or that one was to come in the near future.<\/p>\n
Joe Noga: Yeah. And I can understand not wanting to reveal maybe financial terms of the deal, but you could at least come out and say he\u2019s, he\u2019s got a, he\u2019s signed to a three year extension or, you know, however many years you want to extend him. I just think that, you know, the fans definitely want to hear that there\u2019s that stability there, but I would imagine the players want to hear it as well.<\/p>\n
Paul Hoynes: Yeah, you don\u2019t want him walking into a lame duck year in 2026, which would be the last year of his three year deal. I mean, I\u2019m sure some kind of arrangement has been worked out and there\u2019s some kind of announcement coming either in spring training or before, before the start of spring training. Yeah.<\/p>\n
Joe Noga: And maybe this is coming from Vogt himself, who knows? He\u2019s, he seemed over the last two years of getting to know him, he seemed, you know, at times pretty private about certain things. And you know, the way he conducts himself, even with the media just in, in where he has his, you know, daily press Briefings when you\u2019re on the road, he has him in the, in the. The dugout instead of in the manager\u2019s office, which is where, you know, we used to always get, you know, a few minutes a day on the road in, inside Tito\u2019s office there at the different ballparks. That\u2019s not the case with Vote. He prefers to do them out on the field. So he\u2019s. At times, he can be a little private about certain things. So maybe that\u2019s that. That plays into this. But I get a feeling it come. It\u2019s coming from the club. As far as not wanting to announce.<\/p>\n
Paul Hoynes: It, I don\u2019t know why they wouldn\u2019t announce it if they\u2019ve got a deal in place. I mean, what, what\u2019s the secret, you know?<\/p>\n
Joe Noga: Well, and, you know, there\u2019s other members of the. The front office who may or may not have, you know, recently signed extensions as well. You\u2019re talking about guys like Eric Foreman and James Harris. And these are guys who will be sought after by other clubs in terms of. Of, you know, joining their front offices. And, you know, we don\u2019t know what their status is in terms of how long they\u2019re going to be around.<\/p>\n
Paul Hoynes: You know, I mean, I think teams have, you know, general. If it\u2019s just the, the impression of the front office that, you know, they have a lot of, you know, every season it seems like there\u2019s a lot of, you know, 29 other teams come knocking on the door of the Guardians. They want, you know, they want certain guys from the front office, you know, because the Guardians have built a successful organization and maybe this is just, you know, you know, I think, you know, they\u2019ve let people go before, but they\u2019ve also kept people, you know, people have decided to stay, and maybe when they do stay, they get rewarded for staying.<\/p>\n
Joe Noga: Yeah, it could be the case. Definitely. Interesting to follow along. But, you know, maybe. Maybe once we get to spring training, maybe there\u2019ll be an announcement there about vote. We\u2019ll. We\u2019ll see. And, you know, who knows, maybe this, this tweet from Jeff Pass, it might spur something along as well. So we\u2019ll follow that along. All right, Hoyncy, that\u2019s going to wrap up today\u2019s edition of the Cleveland Baseball Talk Podcast. We\u2019ll be back on Monday to talk a little bit more about baseball in the off season, and we\u2019ll talk to you then.<\/p>\n
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