{"id":353945,"date":"2025-12-17T11:15:12","date_gmt":"2025-12-17T11:15:12","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/353945\/"},"modified":"2025-12-17T11:15:12","modified_gmt":"2025-12-17T11:15:12","slug":"doug-armstrong-on-blues-trade-talk-untouchables-core-players-jordan-binningtons-future","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/353945\/","title":{"rendered":"Doug Armstrong on Blues trade talk: Untouchables? Core players? Jordan Binnington\u2019s future?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>ST. LOUIS \u2014 Doug Armstrong has always been a realist.<\/p>\n<p>So while the St. Louis Blues\u2019 game Wednesday against the Winnipeg Jets is only their 35th this season and they are just four points out of a playoff spot, their president of hockey operations and general manager knows the Blues\u2019 .456 points-percentage is more indicative of their playoff potential.<\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s why when he was asked Tuesday about the Blues still being in the mix mathematically \u2014 as they were when they went on an incredible run after the 4 Nations Face-Off last season \u2014 he answered the question practically.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cYeah, I hope they go on a run,\u201d Armstrong said. \u201cI hope a lot of things. But hope is a bad strategy. The reality of our industry is, as a group, they\u2019ve got to go on a run, so when the phone rings I say, \u2018No.\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Answering the phone and saying \u201cNo\u201d is a reference to NHL teams calling the Blues and asking them about potential trades. That\u2019s what it\u2019s come to for the club, even 80 days out from the league\u2019s March 6 trade deadline.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI\u2019m not doing this to threaten anybody, but as (former NFL coach) Bill Parcells said, \u2018You are what you are,\u2019 and right now we\u2019re 28th in winning percentage, so everything has to be considered and addressed.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe way the league operates, when we were a highly functioning team, you would call teams that weren\u2019t highly functioning and say, \u2018What are you going to do?\u2019 We\u2019re starting to field those calls that we don\u2019t want to field. I can\u2019t stop people from calling, and we\u2019re not doing our due diligence if we\u2019re not listening.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/GettyImages-1504331885-scaled.jpg\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-6894941 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/12\/GettyImages-1504331885-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1674\"  \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>\n      Doug Armstrong is listening on trades with the Blues in the NHL cellar. (Jeff Vinnick \/ Getty Images)<\/p>\n<p>They\u2019re actually 30th in points percentage as of Tuesday, but if you\u2019re looking for the Blues (12-15-7) to start wheeling and dealing soon, you might be waiting.<\/p>\n<p>As Armstrong has noted in the past, he reminded everyone again on Tuesday that the NHL is a \u201cdeadline league,\u201d which means trades typically don\u2019t come to fruition until being forced by a deadline.<\/p>\n<p>The first deadline is the NHL holiday freeze that runs Dec. 19 to 27, but that\u2019s what Armstrong calls an \u201cartificial deadline.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cSo, yeah, teams are starting to kick tires and starting to ask where we\u2019re at, and we\u2019re saying, \u2018We\u2019re certainly not pleased with where we\u2019re at. What are your ideas?\u2019\u201d Armstrong said. \u201cHistorically, you look when trades happen, they don\u2019t happen right now. The meat of what teams do is closer to the deadline.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIf it made sense today, we would do it today, but a lot of it is, \u2018Well, I\u2019m not there yet, but keep me in the loop.\u2019 They\u2019re setting the table for when you\u2019re actually going to do it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>There\u2019s another date to keep in mind this season, and that\u2019s the start of the 2026 Winter Olympic break, which runs Feb. 4 to 24. There will be another trade freeze in place during the Olympics, but teams also may not want to make deals before Feb. 4 because the salary-cap hits of players they acquire would be on their caps throughout the three-week break.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe majority of the (general managers), especially in Olympic years, the teams that are close to the cap, they want to make that deal the day after the Olympics because they don\u2019t want that cap eating away at their cap when they\u2019re not playing them,\u201d Armstrong said. \u201cWhen they\u2019re not playing, they don\u2019t want to pay. It\u2019s not the money; it\u2019s the cap space.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>So while Armstrong isn\u2019t ruling out the possibility of a December move \u2014 he referenced the recent Quinn Hughes <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/athletic\/6886099\/2025\/12\/13\/quinn-hughes-canucks-wild-winners-losers\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">trade to the Minnesota Wild<\/a> as an example \u2014 he\u2019s being realistic.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cOur job is to prepare for anything on any given day, but our job is to also understand the natural flow of the NHL and when things happen,\u201d he said. \u201cI\u2019m just going on the actuary table, but there are situations that could just take one phone call for something.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>So if the Blues are open for shop, who would they be willing to send packing?<\/p>\n<p>A few of the names rumored to be trade options \u2014 Brayden Schenn, Justin Faulk and Jordan Binnington \u2014 are players the Blues may have an incentive to move because they\u2019re in their early-to-mid 30s with term left on their contracts.<\/p>\n<p>Schenn, 34, has two more seasons left on his deal ($6.5 million average annual value) and generated trade interest last season. Faulk, 33, has one more season on his deal ($6.5 million AAV) and has played better than in recent years. Binnington, 32, has one more season left ($6 million AAV), and while he\u2019s had a dismal season, he\u2019s still considered one of the most competitive netminders in the league and someone who plays well in big games and can get on a roll in the playoffs.<\/p>\n<p>Armstrong said he\u2019d be willing to have discussions with those players, knowing that Schenn and Faulk each have 15-team no-trade lists and Binnington has a 14-team list.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI\u2019ve done that in the past,\u201d Armstrong said. \u201cYou want a shared vision. I hope it doesn\u2019t get to that. But I\u2019m hoping they hope I don\u2019t call them and say, \u2018This is what we want. Are you OK with it?\u2019 I would want to do what\u2019s right for them, by them, because whatever success I\u2019ve had, big or small, it\u2019s off their backs.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cBut I also want to make sure everyone is aware, too, that my loyalty is to the St. Louis Blues more than anything else. It\u2019s to the organization. It\u2019s to the fanbase. More than the owners or anyone else, my loyalty is to the Blues. I\u2019m going to do whatever I think is right for Blues.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Regarding Binnington, the franchise leader in games played and wins for a goaltender, Armstrong said: \u201cIf he gets to a point where he\u2019s playing his best and we\u2019re not there and he comes to me, or we go to him, I understand. That\u2019s part of the business. I don\u2019t view Binnington any different than I view other guys that I\u2019ve worked with for a long time. Our job is to listen to how other people view us and view them, and respond to that.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>If the Blues were to move them, what would Armstrong be looking for?<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe would like to add into that group of players that are the (Jake) Neighbours, (Dylan) Holloways, (Philip) Brobergs, (Logan) Maillouxs, (Joel) Hofers,\u201d he said. \u201cI\u2019m not saying those are all core players, but there\u2019s an age group that you would like to add into. (But) to move anyone that could bring you a first-round pick, that\u2019s likely to a team that has playoff aspirations, and that\u2019s a pick (Nos.) 18 to 31, and historically that shows you those guys click in the league two to three to four years later.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWell, that doesn\u2019t do that group I\u2019m talking about a lot of good because then they\u2019ll be aged out. But that is an asset that you can use at a later date to get a player in that age group. So we have to be open to anything, meaning if it is the picks, then we\u2019ll take that pick and do something with it at the draft. Our goal would be, if we acquire things, they have a name attached to them now, not a (draft pick) number.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The Blues, of course, have younger core players in Robert Thomas, Jordan Kyrou, Colton Parayko and Pavel Buchnevich. Parayko, Thomas and Kyrou, in particular, would generate significant trade interest. Moving them would significantly shake up the team\u2019s roster, which Armstrong may deem necessary if he doesn\u2019t believe the departure of the aging veterans will cure what ails the Blues.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThere\u2019s really no untouchables \u2014 not (just) on the St. Louis Blues, (but) there\u2019s really few untouchables in the league,\u201d Armstrong said. \u201cThere\u2019s a lot of other guys that, when things aren\u2019t going well, I would say that (trade) list grows. Things aren\u2019t going well, so the list couldn\u2019t be, \u2018No, we could never ever consider that.&#8217;\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The issue is that all four are underperforming.<\/p>\n<p>Thomas has seven goals and 23 points in 30 games. Kyrou has eight goals and 16 points in 28 games and is currently out with a lower-body injury. Buchnevich has five goals and 17 points in 34 games. Parayko has no goals and 10 points in 34 games and a minus-10 rating.<\/p>\n<p>And while Thomas and Kyrou carry attractive AAVs ($8.125 million) for their potential production, they, along with Buchnevich ($8 million), all have five more years left on their contracts. If they\u2019re not part of the solution in St. Louis, that\u2019s a long time to keep them around.<\/p>\n<p>But Armstrong wanted to make one thing crystal clear.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe\u2019re not selling 50 cents on the dollar out of anger,\u201d he said. \u201cWe\u2019re not considering trading players less than the value we think that they\u2019re worth.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>One thing that\u2019s also clear after hearing Armstrong speak Tuesday is that he\u2019s not trying to kid himself about the Blues\u2019 situation, and while it may take some time to play out, change appears inevitable.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"ST. LOUIS \u2014 Doug Armstrong has always been a realist. 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