{"id":478150,"date":"2026-02-19T16:17:15","date_gmt":"2026-02-19T16:17:15","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/478150\/"},"modified":"2026-02-19T16:17:15","modified_gmt":"2026-02-19T16:17:15","slug":"jose-ramirez-is-the-heart-of-the-guardians-but-stephen-vogt-isnt-putting-a-c-on-his-chest-anytime-soon","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/478150\/","title":{"rendered":"Jos\u00e9 Ram\u00edrez is the heart of the Guardians, but Stephen Vogt isn\u2019t putting a \u2018C\u2019 on his chest anytime soon"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"IMZTWZMUWFE45A3SVZISF5OFRQ\">CLEVELAND, Ohio \u2014 Aaron Judge wears it. Derek Jeter wore it before him. For the Yankees, the \u201cC\u201d on the jersey is a sacred institution \u2014 a franchise tradition that signals hierarchy, honors greatness, and carries the weight of the pinstripes\u2019 storied history. But in Goodyear, Ariz., Guardians manager Stephen Vogt has a different take. And on the latest Cleveland Baseball Talk Podcast, beat reporters Joe Noga and Paul Hoynes broke it all down.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"GFU7FOAIZJFSHIEKR2EHGDRQRE\">Vogt was asked if he would ever name an official captain in Cleveland? The answer revealed something deeper about how this franchise actually operates.<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"TEWYHILTQFD4TITRY3JVFJR5O4\">Hoynes laid out Vogt\u2019s thinking directly: \u201cI got the impression that he had nothing against the practice, but to him it just didn\u2019t fit the sport, his idea of a baseball team. He said, obviously, Jos\u00e9 (Ram\u00edrez) is our captain. He\u2019s our best player. We go as Jos\u00e9 goes. But he said, could say the same thing about (Austin) Hedges. You could say the same thing about (Steven)Kwan. You could say the same thing about (David) Fry.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"HCPF5QDOQRDT5JLYGDVO44S44M\">That response is telling. Vogt didn\u2019t dodge the question \u2014 he essentially answered it by reframing it entirely. Leadership in a baseball clubhouse isn\u2019t a title. It\u2019s a culture. And in Cleveland, that culture is distributed. Ram\u00edrez carries the team\u2019s heartbeat. Austin Hedges provides the veteran steadiness. Steven Kwan represents the players at the league level. David Fry brings the energy. None of them need a patch sewn onto a jersey to do what they do.<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"WUMWYEV7RJBNTGWYR6D5H6MGFY\">Noga took the observation a step further, giving voice to what was arguably the sharpest take in the whole conversation: \u201cI got the impression that the idea of a captain in baseball is kind of performative, kind of cheesy, kind of \u2018let them have their little tradition\u2019 talking about that team over in the AL East. But you know, the Yankees, the Red Sox are teams that have done this in the past and continue to do it now. That\u2019s great for them, but that\u2019s not how this club operates and hasn\u2019t operated really for a while.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"CHLZQYI7HVGFFFBVKZRENJ5VYY\">That\u2019s not a shot at the Yankees. It\u2019s a clear organizational identity statement. The Guardians do things their way. They always have. The franchise that competes year after year on one of baseball\u2019s leaner payrolls doesn\u2019t build its culture around titles \u2014 it builds it around accountability, shared investment, and guys who step up because they\u2019ve earned the respect of their teammates, not because a front office designated them the leader.<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"NBIYSJDZAZGZ7EO3YVN7DDFNYY\">And Noga had the perfect, unforgettable real-world example to punctuate the point. Remember when the Guardians\u2019 center fielder Myles Straw was getting pelted with debris by Yankees fans during that now-infamous moment at Yankee Stadium? Aaron Judge \u2014 the captain, the franchise face, the guy wearing the C \u2014 came out to try and calm things down. It didn\u2019t help much. As Noga put it: \u201cThe C on his chest didn\u2019t do much to prevent that.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"PJJCYUCHCJGMTHCIYVFQK4F3IE\">It\u2019s a great line. And it\u2019s a fair point. Leadership isn\u2019t a patch. It\u2019s presence. It\u2019s what happens when things go sideways and someone steps up because that\u2019s simply who they are.<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"EPLSMHGBZVFK3BHSX7OGWH5ZSQ\">Hoynes did some digging into Cleveland\u2019s history on the subject, surfacing what might be the only true precedent: the Doc Edwards era, when Joe Carter and Mel Hall were both named captains. \u201cIt was like the good angel and the bad angel sitting on each of your shoulders,\u201d Hoynes said with trademark dry wit. That experiment didn\u2019t exactly set off a lasting tradition in Cleveland.<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"OCCJAJF2S5APDGRNKRTE7LD3LE\">The broader point Noga raises \u2014 that captains don\u2019t fit baseball the way they fit other sports \u2014 is worth exploring. In basketball, captains speak for their team in heated confrontations. In football, there\u2019s the ceremonial coin flip at midfield. In baseball? Every hitter steps to the plate and handles his own business with the umpire. The game is built around individual accountability wrapped in a collective framework. A designated captain, in that context, is almost structurally unnecessary.<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"DA3UINNRKFG2DBNJ4TPU3BNU2U\">Besides, every Guardians player on the field in Arizona yesterday was already wearing a big \u2018C\u2019 on his chest. One that stood for Cleveland.<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"DYQGIJ3SSNEYBNRB2ONK4C2F2Y\">For the full conversation on Vogt\u2019s spring training media sessions, the Guardians\u2019 leadership dynamics heading into 2026, and everything else happening in Goodyear, tune into the latest Cleveland Baseball Talk Podcast.<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"FJTT4ZF2TBFSVD7T2I3HMKTYBE\">Read the automated transcript of today\u2019s podcast below. Because it\u2019s an AI-generated transcript, it may contain errors and misspellings.<\/p>\n<p>Podcast Transcript<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"4B6QZP7V3ZD2DJWT25WNV3IHHY\">Joe Noga: Welcome back to the Cleveland Baseball Talk Podcast. I\u2019m Joe Noga, joined by Paul Hoynes. Hoynsie, busy day out in Goodyear, a busy day around baseball. Busy day in the Eastern District of New York where Emmanuel Clase and Luis Ortiz entered not guilty pleas in their federal case regarding pitch fixing and inappropriate gambling. You know, situation out there. What have we found out? With this rewritten indictment that includes one of their co conspirators, Class A and Ortiz now could be facing a trial that could get pushed back into October.<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"IARUSNIZEFCNLI4R7TTMFCRV7U\">Paul Hoynes: Joe, the judge in charge of the trial has, you know, indicated that she is ready to move this trial back to October. But they still, she still left the May 4 date open. But from all indications this thing is going to get moved back if that happens. Joe, I if is real, MLB is not going to make it probably won\u2019t make a decision on any penalties against Ortiz and Class A until a decision is rendered by the judge, a judicial decision or you know, a legal decision. So this means the guardians, Class A and Ortiz are just dangling in limbo again for a whole nother season. We went through this for a half season last year when they were put on admin non disciplinary leave in July and now, you know, the drumbeat continues. What\u2019s the old saying, Joe? The wheels of justice grind fine, but they grind exceedingly slow. So we\u2019re in the middle of that.<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"KXQWHA7LPZGVPFPSDNXTGZM7BY\">Joe Noga: Yeah. And it seems like there won\u2019t be any resolution in terms of the, the salary that is owed Emmanuel class A, the 6.4 million that he\u2019s owed in the final year of his contract. It doesn\u2019t seem like that\u2019s going to be resolved before the beginning of the regular season. Right now during spring training players don\u2019t get PA but you know, once the season starts sensibly, the guardians would be on the hook for, for that amount. Unless something happens like Ortiz and, and Class A are put on the, the commissioner\u2019s restricted list. Players on the restricted list don\u2019t accrue service time and they don\u2019t earn their salary at that point. So that\u2019s I guess one option. Do we have any indication that, you know, maybe something like that could be happening before the beginning of the regular season?<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"NDMKPAOCJFBVHDEXNITOMHFRQU\">Paul Hoynes: Thinking, you know, from what I\u2019ve heard Joe, there, there\u2019s a possibility that they could have a resolution on Class A and Ortiz\u2019s contracts by the, you know, the end of spring training. And as you said, nobody gets paid during spring training. Players payroll, players start getting paid starting on the season opener. So there is a, there is a chance at some that a resolution could be reached. But right now, you know, no one is saying anything. So there\u2019s a, you know, it\u2019s just, you know, as business as usual and you know, talk to the Guardians are kind of still in the dark on this. You know, we\u2019ll just have to see what happens, you know, come March 26th when the regular season opens, if the decision has been made by them.<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"MQYRIMQK2BBYNDX27A5AGOBBEY\">Joe Noga: Clase and Ortiz were in court yesterday to enter their pleas. They were there separately. They did not talk to reporters. And you know, there\u2019s, there\u2019s nothing really changes. It was a sort of a rewritten, superseding indictment that they pleaded not guilty to. Again, there\u2019s the, the court date, like you said, likely to be pushed back to October. But Judge Matsumoto in the Eastern District did keep things open for that May 4th trial date, but likely to delay things until after the season is over. We can, we\u2019ve got a whole, a whole other, you know, 10 months to talk about things. So we\u2019ll keep, keep an eye on that. What Will and Joe, you know, we<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"KRFG7AOUFFAD3BTS2LVCTIGXR4\">Paul Hoynes: still don\u2019t know if the judge is going to approve the separation of the two cases. He\u2019s and his attorneys want to be separated from class A. The U.S. you know, sent a, you know, filed a motion, you know, deny, you know, to oppose that. They want to try Class A Ortiz and any other co conspirators together. So they still have to get a resolution to that as well.<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"4N42KD42TBATNF4DGTIUB3OYIQ\">Joe Noga: Yeah, we\u2019ll, we\u2019ll find out what happens there eventually here in the coming months. All right. Also in New York and you know, it\u2019s sort of a baseball wide happening last, last night Bruce Meyer, who was formerly the general counsel, who is actually the deputy executive director for the MLB Players association, was unanimously selected as the interim director of the MLBPA to replace Tony Clark, who resigned earlier this week amid scandal rumors of an inappropriate relationship with his s who was an employee of the association. And with the overhanging federal investigation into a misappropriation of funds within the just, you know, you talk to a couple of folks out there in Goodyear, this is what the, the players had hoped would happen in terms of a quick resolution to getting somebody in place ahead of the labor negotiations that should be ongoing throughout the year.<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"PIYHCVKFRVCH5GB4Z3EKHWNQGY\">Paul Hoynes: Yeah, you know, Stephen Kwan is the player rep for the Guardians has been this is his third year on the and we talked to him after yesterday\u2019s practice and you know, he was in favor of having a resolution as quickly as possible to fill the void left by Tony Clark. And he was, you know, hopeful that it would be a unanimous decision. And it seems. It sounds like things passed quickly last night, Joe. There was a, a vote and they, they have. Bruce Meyer, as you said, is the new interim executive director and Matt Nussbaum is the interim deputy executive directors. They are ready to proceed with the business as usual and get ready for the negotiations that are coming after the 2026 season when the basic agreement expires.<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"2ZS65Y23PNGGDLQQM346SJWJ5E\">Joe Noga: Now, Meyer is the guy responsible for basically negotiating the last. The last couple of deals. He\u2019s been the lead negotiator for Tony Clark in the last couple of deals there. So there\u2019s some cohesiveness, there\u2019s some consistency here. Meyer was, you know, quoted as saying that he doesn\u2019t think anybody else will be, you know, would be in line to be negotiating this, this upcoming deal besides him anyways. So, you know, it makes sense that he steps into this, to this spot, at least to get this, this CBA put in place. You know, beyond that, you know, maybe there\u2019s, there\u2019s a change in leadership after that. This is a guy who\u2019s got, you know, 30 years experience working with the NHL as, as a, a negotiator there, you know, and came over and he\u2019s, he\u2019s been basically by Tony Clark\u2019s side for a few years here and really responsible for the last couple of trips through this cycle of negotiation and getting a CBA in place.<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"4C3ACIAN5FCCJGYL4MRE7X2V4Y\">Paul Hoynes: Yeah, yeah, he has done. He joined the union in 2018. He has negotiated the basic agreement in 2020 and 2022, and also the basic agreement for the minor League players in 2023. So, as you said, Joe, he\u2019s got experience on the job.<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"KDQ2KIEIPJHR5AE6OZLY5GCULA\">Joe Noga: Right. Moving over to the Guardians and what we learned from Guardians camp yesterday, sitting down, talking to Steven Vogt, he\u2019s decided where his starting pitchers, plural, for the split squad games that will open up Cactus League play. He\u2019s decided where those guys will go on Saturday. What did we learn?<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"LO57OLXPOZELPHOLHVWCOFSVNQ\">Paul Hoynes: Logan Allen will stay in Goodyear at Goodyear Ballpark and face the Reds. And Joey Cantillo will go to Maryvale, Arizona and face the Brewers. Vote. Will go with. Will go with the traveling split squad. And Tony Arnerich, the new bench coach, will manage the team in Goodyear.<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"STUWSCBVRFD4BJNDBCTCB7F3CI\">Joe Noga: Yeah, and you know, the body double, Tony Arnerich, will be in Goodyear. I\u2019m sure he\u2019ll be mistaken a few times for Stephen Vogt, but that\u2019s the game that will be on tv. So most of the, the folks back here in Cleveland will get to see that, that game that Logan Allen pitches in and that, you know, it\u2019s likely that when, when you look at the, the players on the rosters for those, those two squads, probably a lot of the veteran guys will stay back in, in Goodyear, I would assume Jose Ramirez, Stephen Kwan, probably Austin Hedges will be back in, in Goodyear and Cantillo will get some of the younger guys. And so I think you might head up the road there to, to see that game.<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"3IGF4ZHPQ5CR7B7AIW5JXJSPUA\">Paul Hoynes: Yeah, Joe, I\u2019m going to go to Maryvale and, you know, Bazzana is going to play there. Chase DeLauter is going to play there. They\u2019re expected to play there, I should say. And, you know, I\u2019d like to really get a look at those guys and just see, you know, just see how the spring unfolds for them. You know, Bazzana is not going to be here very long. He\u2019s got to go to Japan to play with Team Australia. So he\u2019s going to play in three of the first four games this spring. So just want to get a look at him and see, you know, how he\u2019s progressing. And the same with the Lauder. Not sure if, if he\u2019s going to play center field or right field, but this is a guy that, you know, there\u2019s a lot of high hopes around him this spring and like to see how he starts it.<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"DJDWIHL5W5B4JLUVR6HOBYLIYQ\">Joe Noga: Yeah, and they\u2019re going to, they\u2019re going to take care of him and take it slow with the, with Chase DeLayuter, obviously, so don\u2019t blink. He might be out of the game, you know, pretty quickly at some point. But, yeah, the point you make about Bazzana, he\u2019s, he\u2019s going to get his work in. I think Vogt said he\u2019s going to play in something like 10 games over the stretch of like two weeks or something like that. So he\u2019s going to get a, a good chance to get his feet under him and get hit the ground running. We did get a chance to talk to a few pitchers. We sat down some zoom interviews and we talked to Parker Messick, we talked to Matt Festa, we talked to Hunter Gaddis and, and you had a chance to, to sit down with Gavin Williams. Let\u2019s start with Festa because we\u2019ve just been talking about the WBC. Festa is part of Team Italy, and you can\u2019t see me right now, but I\u2019m doing the hand motion with the, the three fingers pinched together. Baseball team is going to be one of the most fun teams I think in the World Baseball Classic. They\u2019re not a team that really is in serious maybe contention for trip deep into the elimination round. But watching them compete against teams like Great Britain, you know, the competition that they will be facing over in Houston, I think they\u2019re going to play Team Brazil at some point as well. That\u2019s where they\u2019re going to be playing. Most fun and unique thing that Festa said they\u2019re going to bring back the, the espresso machine that\u2019s going to be in the dugout again. He\u2019s going to try and get one out in the bullpen. Matt Festa said. They will, they will. You know, they\u2019ll be talking like the, like a New Jersey Italian. I mean that, that\u2019s what it\u2019s going to sound like the entire time and drinking espresso and you know, who knows if they\u2019ll have what the, the Olympics are over there right now. I mean obviously it\u2019s a good time to be an Italian athlete. So Matt Festa and Team Italy should be fun to watch.<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"HB4IT4WXRZDOLGESV5IQO4O2P4\">Paul Hoynes: Yeah, that\u2019s, that\u2019s interesting. I almost forgot that Festa was going to the WBC. You know, that\u2019s, I\u2019m happy for him. I hope he enjoys himself. And this is a guy that had really Joe, such an under the radar season last year for Cleveland came out of nowhere. They made that deal with Texas, I believe in sometime in April got him and he just stepped in and pitch. He pitched in that pen like he, he\u2019d been there forever.<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"ZHNLVGZMABHZ3ALNJ5GAFF5RLM\">Joe Noga: Well, that\u2019s sort of one of the things that, that he brought up was this is, this will be his second time playing in the WBC for Team Italy. He played there the last time the, the tournament happened. And he\u2019s got a really good close relationship with Francisco Cervelli, the Italian manager, the coach there and the coaching staff. This is, he sort of made for this role. I guess we saw that last season. He was, Matt Festa was a guy who just took the ball in Cleveland. Whether they needed him in a leverage situation late or if they needed him in, give him a few innings in a game that\u2019s a blowout to save the bullpen for the next day or even coming in early, put out a fire. He did that a couple of times as well. He pitched in a variety of roles and I think that\u2019s what makes him attractive for a WBC team because these games can turn into, you know, basically bullpen games. Your starters aren\u2019t going to go very deep and especially for teams Like Italy and, and Great Britain and you know, some of the teams that aren\u2019t really loaded with a lot of major league talent. You know, it\u2019s going to be, you know, dicey sort of pitching it up, sort of, you know, putting together some of these innings, piecing together some of these innings. And Matt Festa is a guy who can really glue some of this together. If you\u2019re a team like Italy.<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"FTF2VPNRRZGIZANW4L7C5WHTOU\">Paul Hoynes: Yeah. You know, look at, he\u2019s a workhorse. He made over 60 appearances last season, I believe. Just did a great job for him. And he\u2019s been around. Like you said, Joe, he\u2019s, he\u2019s pitched for various big league teams. So, you know, he\u2019s a, he\u2019s a, he\u2019s a quality veteran guy and I\u2019m sure he\u2019s going to, he\u2019ll help team Italy and Cervelli\u2019s. You know what, he\u2019s the former Yankee catcher, right? Yeah. So, you know, they must have a good relationship.<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"CRKKQABRPNCKBDTCG4S63OJNLA\">Joe Noga: And you know who else has a good relationship with Cervelli is Augustin Rivero, the, the Guardians interpreter who came up in the, the Yankees or was a part of the Yankees minor league system. He and Cervelli are pretty close. And so Festa, I think goes trading stories of having played with Cervelli. Augie knows him. So, you know, a lot of. It\u2019s always six degrees of separation between doggy going.<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"YFHE4UE4HFA2ZLKPCNXGTZRPJU\">Paul Hoynes: Is Augie going to.<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"K7LWZRAAYVADHBJ635KSUPI52U\">Joe Noga: I don\u2019t think Auggie\u2019s going. Augie\u2019s Colombian. He\u2019s not Italian. So yeah, not, not necessarily the same. But yeah, I think the, the Colombian team is, is on a different path there as well. So yeah, Festa to the World Baseball Classic. We will, we will be on the lookout for the espresso machine for sure in the dugout there. Wanted to talk about Parker Messick and the revelation from Messick that he\u2019s some, it\u2019s something we hear a lot of in, in spring training is, you know, are you working on any, adding any pitches? Did you add any pitches in the offseason? And Parker Messick said that he, he\u2019s working on refining his arsenal in the off season, but he also is trying to work in a little cutter and to give him another direction, another, a sort of way to attack hitters. So you hear it from a lot of guys. Oh yeah, I\u2019m working on a cutter. That\u2019s a, that pitch is a two edged sword man. Because if you fall in love with it, you know a guy like Aaron Civale who always seemed to get beat when he, when he threw a cutter that didn\u2019t cut. And it\u2019s a dangerous pitch to play with. If you can throw it right, it gives you a lot of an advantage. It certainly was the genesis for Gavin Williams sort of having the breakout season that he had last year. So, yeah, I wonder if Parker Messick adding a cutter and throwing that maybe just a little bit, working it in maybe during spring training is going to help him.<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"NYRD7I7OJJCANMUQ4Z5GFOFVVM\">Paul Hoynes: It\u2019s interesting that you brought that up, Joe, because Stephen Vogt was talking about pitchers adding different pitches and that, you know, the pitcher is probably the luckiest baseball player because every Christmas Santa Claus delivers a new pitch for him. Pitchers are always tinkering. And the thing he said with, you know, a new pitch is don\u2019t try to throw it too much. It sounds like what you were saying about Messick. He also was saying that about Cantillo. Joey Cantillo changed the grip on his slider. Wanted. They want him to have, you know, four pitches that move in different directions. And I guess that\u2019s the same message to Messick.<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"G6AAYOIFJBGJDA7KUPBEPUJI7M\">Joe Noga: Yeah. And Messick talked about being able to, to attack the hitters in, in different ways and, and just keep it in the backs of their minds that, that, that cutter is there. Like you said, he doesn\u2019t have to throw it. The usage doesn\u2019t have to be a super high percentage. But if, if it\u2019s there and they know that they have to keep to stay honest about it, then that gives him a bit more of an advantage. Uh, yeah, it, it\u2019s funny because Cantillo, I, I thought, you know, he had a curveball, he just never threw it. And maybe the, the changes in the grip are going to get him to maybe sort of incorporate that a little bit more into what he does, because<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"JZY6RSTGUFAPFHBDHKUBRSUFZM\">Paul Hoynes: he had a, you know, great success with the curveball and he threw the slider last year, but that was. I only think he threw it like 7% of the time. So, you know, I think they want him to maybe continue to use that a little more. But, you know, not get. Not forget about his change up in fastball. You know, obviously those are his two best pitches. Yeah.<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"LNCSYYPAZ5EMVDQRDD6U6MHEUI\">Joe Noga: And, you know, I brought up the point to Parker Messick about Gavin Williams sort of adding in the cutter to his arsenal, you know, at midway through the season and not name Midway, but like during the season, working on it and sort of having that pitch grow during the season. And Messick said he did sort of the same thing with his sinker last year during the Triple A season. He started to Throw his sinker a little bit more and started to gain confidence in that and that helped him out in that way. So, yeah, these guys, it\u2019s not just get up on the mound and chuck it as hard as you can. These guys are, are cerebral and they, they really do think about their craft and practice and work on and develop their craft during the season once the regular season starts. For a lot of guys, it\u2019s just maintaining muscle memory and staying on your routines and stuff like that. But the guys who want to be great and the guys who want to get to the next level are the ones who continue to, you know, make changes and, and develop during the season and that aren\u2019t afraid to do that.<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"RTM4SLKP45AOVL2QRIQP2SHLEM\">Paul Hoynes: Yeah, you know, I was talking to Gavin Williams yesterday and he said, just, you know, indicated that, you know, he started throwing the sinker in the cutter probably, you know, mid season or working on it, and it said he really made a change. It really helped him. After the All Star break, he went 7 and 1 after the break in 12, in 12 starts. And that really, you know, he said a lot of it had to do with throwing those two new pitches and,<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"EVSNEHLE6BBCRBHRNHCY4JGIII\">Joe Noga: you know, a big advantage there if, if you\u2019ve got a guy who\u2019s, who\u2019s willing to sort of, you know, open up his mind to all the different possibilities there during the season. All right, I wanted to hit one more note, talk about something that, you know, was brought up to, to Stephen Vogt in his, his morning media session yesterday. It sort of caught my eye. And a lot of guys, he was asked about, you know, naming a captain. And I guess in the course of answering the question, you know, obviously the Yankees have a captain. That\u2019s Aaron Judge. Before Aaron Judge, Derek Jeter was the captain. That seems to be like an organizational thing with the Yankees, and it\u2019s not necessarily the norm in baseball. I don\u2019t think too, too many teams in, throughout Major League Baseball have named captains, officially, ones that wear the C on their jersey or anything like that. So Vote was asked about the idea of naming a captain and would he ever do that in Cleveland. And I guess without officially naming a captain, he named a captain and it was the obvious choice in Jose Ramirez. But, you know, just what did you take away from Vogt\u2019s response to, to being asked about the idea of naming a captain?<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"UABQ2T3G2ZCT5NSNSIDO3XQAAM\">Paul Hoynes: Yeah, I got the impression, Joe, that he, he had nothing against the practice, but to him it just didn\u2019t fit the sport, his idea of a baseball team. He said, obviously, Jose is our captain. He\u2019s our Best player. But you could, you know, he said we go as Jose goes. But he said, could say the same thing about Hedges. You could say the same thing about Quan. You could say the same thing about David Fry. So, you know, he said the best part of this team is that it interacts with each other. And he didn\u2019t, he just didn\u2019t feel like there was a need to put the C on anybody\u2019s chest. He just felt that that was not a part of baseball. He said other teams, other franchises have, have their own theories on this, but to him it, it just isn\u2019t a part, isn\u2019t a. Yeah.<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"V3S4YCJXHJAFTCJUJPKFXVZN4M\">Joe Noga: The funny thing is all the guys in camp are walking around with Cs on their chest anyways. They\u2019re wearing the blue jersey, the blue, you know, practice jersey with the Cleveland C on the chest. So that goes to Vote\u2019s point. There is that, you know, there\u2019s, there\u2019s multiple guys in that, that clubhouse that can take on sort of, not necessarily the duties, but the feeling or the, the position of what a captain means to a club without having to, to label them or brand them with a, you know, that, that sort of moniker. I, I got the impression, and I\u2019m not putting words in Stephen Vogt\u2019s mouth or anything like that, I got the impression that the, the idea of a captain in baseball is kind of performative, kind of cheesy, kind of let them have their little tradition sort of, you know, talking about that, that team over in the AL east. But you know, the Yankees, the Red Sox teams, the, that have, have done this in the past and continue. Continue to do it now, that\u2019s, that\u2019s great for them, but that\u2019s not how this, this club operates and hasn\u2019t operated really for a while. Have the guardians or in the past covering the Indians, have you ever known them to, to name a captain?<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"PZ2OFF4WQFAUDBPRCRQLOAUVEQ\">Paul Hoynes: Yeah, the only time I remember this happening, Joe, is when Doc Edwards took over the guard, the Indians. He replaced Pat Corrales mid season and, and he named Joe Carter one captain and Mel hall the other captain. It was like, it was like the good angel and the bad angel sitting on one of your shoulders. But that, that, that\u2019s the only time I remember that happening. And, but, you know, didn\u2019t they used to call Kuiper Dwayne Kuiper captain Kuip.<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"WFKMW7Z74RC5BHEBRSMQ7MBLL4\">Joe Noga: Maybe he was.<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"HPP7JWHCTZDU5DCHJTRYSYJ67Y\">Paul Hoynes: I don\u2019t know if he was a captain.<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"4IAH7FRL7JEVND5E62GARUOT7U\">Joe Noga: Was. Yeah. Was that official? I don\u2019t ever. I don\u2019t remember that. I\u2019ll have to dig back through the, the media guide and look back and see if there were any, you know, official captains listed or anything like that. But I, I don\u2019t ever recall that being a big thing in Cleveland. And, and you\u2019re right, the, the idea of it in baseball in general just doesn\u2019t make a lot of sense because every, every hitter that steps to the plate gets a chance to speak to the umpire as he\u2019s, as he\u2019s up there. We\u2019re really not privy to that kind of conversation because we\u2019re not that close. But it\u2019s not like you need one captain to go out and talk to the officials like you do in football or in basketball. Kind of different. Like I said, I, an OHSAA basketball referee for 20 years and we sort of did away with the practice of a pre game captains meeting. After Covid, the state came down and said, you know, you don\u2019t have to do these meetings before games, mostly because, you know, two minutes into the game and as a referee you\u2019re focused on what\u2019s going on. You\u2019re not, you don\u2019t remember what the number of the captain who spoke to you before the game was. And you know, if I\u2019ve got an issue with a player, I\u2019m talking directly to that player on the floor. So, so it\u2019s, it\u2019s a little different in different sports. I think in baseball you can get away with not necessarily having a captain. Hey, I go back to when Miles Straw and the, the, the Guardians were getting pelted with stuff and, and screamed at by the, the Yankees fans out there in center field and Aaron Judge came out there and they continue to yell and scream and throw things. Even though their captain was the one trying to calm things down. The, the C on his chest didn\u2019t do much to, to prevent that.<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"PCZD6QZZZVBIFHTEPXQZKOH254\">Paul Hoynes: You know, there\u2019s no coin flip at the start of a ball game, a baseball game. They don\u2019t, they don\u2019t call the captains of each team out to second base and flip a coin. The, the umpires. So I guess you don\u2019t need a captain for that.<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"KBNLCPATCNDMHPQGSA4CY655NQ\">Joe Noga: Yeah. Wouldn\u2019t it be great if they did though? That\u2019d be kind of cool.<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"E4OZH6QKBNA5LL5LQVOIPIXCYE\">Paul Hoynes: That\u2019d be cool. Yeah.<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"DSFRYFVJ7BCHDGAN7K5XOEU7HQ\">Joe Noga: Yeah, sure, right. It would just be something else they could put prop bets on. I guess you don\u2019t, you don\u2019t need another. We don\u2019t need any more opportunities here. All right, Hoynsie, what to expect today in camp. Anything on the agenda?<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"M76PBNGA55EXHMKH25GIFLOTQU\">Paul Hoynes: Yeah, just another day of live bp. This is photo day, so there\u2019s a bunch of photographers out there.<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"GN7J3QX64RBCHOQDP327OXRV3M\">Joe Noga: Are you gonna get your baseball card picture taken?<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"3OHFQGBAPJGJBFW7LV4MQLOKII\">Paul Hoynes: No, not me. I don\u2019t want to break any cameras, but, yeah, everybody is. You know, the players are getting there early. You know, this is a crazy kind of day that, you know, they get there early. There\u2019s, like, you know, 15, 20 photo stations open, taking all sorts of candid shots and different shots. Yeah, a little different day to day.<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"AJSVEBNQ4ZB6JHUQ3UJ7LFLUMI\">Joe Noga: Well, that\u2019s going to wrap up today\u2019s edition of the Cleveland Baseball Talk Podcast. Hoynsie we\u2019ll check in with you again tomorrow here on the podcast.<\/p>\n<p class=\"article__paragraph article__paragraph--left\" id=\"7BDXY76VVFHR5ENOYCIEBQRODM\">Paul Hoynes: Good deal.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"CLEVELAND, Ohio \u2014 Aaron Judge wears it. Derek Jeter wore it before him. 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