{"id":624799,"date":"2026-05-05T12:28:08","date_gmt":"2026-05-05T12:28:08","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/624799\/"},"modified":"2026-05-05T12:28:08","modified_gmt":"2026-05-05T12:28:08","slug":"bruce-davison-on-x-men-willard-and-more","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/624799\/","title":{"rendered":"Bruce Davison on X-Men, Willard, and more"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Welcome to\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.avclub.com\/search?q=Random+Roles\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Random Roles<\/a>, wherein we talk to actors about the characters who defined their careers. The catch: They don\u2019t know beforehand what roles we\u2019ll ask them to talk about.<\/p>\n<p>The actor:\u00a0Since making his debut in 1969 as one of the stars of Last Summer, Bruce Davison has racked up over 300 credits across TV and film. Additionally, he\u2019s managed to bounce from genre to genre, doing horror (Willard), comedy (Spies Like Us), superhero films (X-Men), and sci-fi (The Lathe Of Heaven) while still pulling an Oscar nomination for a high-profile, ripped-from-the-headlines film like Longtime Companion. Currently, Davison can be seen co-starring with John Pyper-Ferguson and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.avclub.com\/longmires-lou-diamond-phillips-on-la-bamba-the-brat-pa-1798232910\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Lou Diamond Phillips<\/a> in Casa Grande, which is an example of Davison\u2019s summation of life as a character actor: \u201cI go where I\u2019m kicked.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The A.V. Club: How did you find your way into this film?<\/p>\n<p>Bruce Davison: I found my way through Lou. Lou Diamond Phillips is an old friend. God, we worked together\u2014it must\u2019ve been twenty-some years ago now\u2014on a miniseries called The Triangle that we shot in South Africa. But we\u2019ve known each other through a 35-year poker game that we were playing on Wednesday nights with a fella named Norby Walters, who was one of the last Damon Runyon characters in Hollywood. He did [the annual Oscar party] Night Of 100 Stars, and had the biggest rolodex ever. There were a handful of us that would play every Wednesday night. It was only for $75, and it wasn\u2019t about the money, it was about the fact that you\u2019d be playing with Sid Caesar or Harvey Korman or Jerry Vale. Burt Reynolds and Rod Steiger! You\u2019d play poker and it was all about the conversation every night. That\u2019s where Lou and I spent an awful lot of time in the last 25 years. The game\u2019s finally ended; Norby\u2019s passed away.<\/p>\n<p>AVC: You don\u2019t have a massive part in Casa Grande, but you do square off with one of the leads.<\/p>\n<p>BD: Right! I\u2019m where I usually am: between a rock and a hard place, the two leads. I\u2019m a character actor, y\u2019know? I go where I\u2019m kicked. It\u2019s always been the best way to survive as an actor, to be the supporting parts. You play interesting, memorable characters, and as Robert Aldrich told me, \u201cYou can raise a family in this town.\u201d You won\u2019t be rich, but you can carry on!<\/p>\n<p>AVC: I didn\u2019t know quite how dark a turn it was going to take by the end. I was impressed.<\/p>\n<p>BD: It\u2019s a fascinating picture. The characters have such complexity. And it\u2019s really nice to have a Latino point of view with a lead character like that, that Lou brings so much to. The families, you can\u2019t start calling one the villain or one the victim. They have all of those things going between the two of them, fighting over the same stuff that you fight in every genre, whether it be a procedural or a Western or a period piece. It\u2019s always, \u201cWhat\u2019s going to change?\u201d Somebody\u2019s going to change something, but someone else is gonna try to hold on to what\u2019s of value, and boom, you\u2019re in a clash.<\/p>\n<p>Last Summer\u00a0(1969)\u2014\u201dDan\u201d<\/p>\n<p>AVC: How did you find your way into acting in the first place?<\/p>\n<p>BD: I was up at Penn State. I started as an art major, and a friend challenged me to audition for something that said \u201cOpen Auditions\u201d on the door. And I walked in, and I didn\u2019t get the part, but I was terrified into finding out that there\u2019s a place for a weird person like me. And they said, \u201cWell, all the actors are up in this place called the Green Room.\u201d It\u2019s where Gene Kelly first started dancing, in Schwab Auditorium. So I started up the stairs, and I thought, \u201cYep, I\u2019ve found my family.\u201d So that\u2019s what happened: I just ended up being one of the loud show-offs!\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>AVC: Last Summer must\u2019ve been an audition situation.<\/p>\n<p>BD: Yes, it was. Auditioned over and over for weeks for Frank and Eleanor Perry. In the meantime I was going to what is now the Tisch School at NYU. I was in the first class that started. There was Bud Cort, Jeannie Berlin, Barry Bostwick, Andr\u00e9 Gregory, Liz Torres, Mary Beth Hurt\u2014all kinds of people were in that first class.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>AVC: What do you remember about making your first film? Were you intimidated, or were you too na\u00efve to be intimidated?<\/p>\n<p>BD: I had no idea what the hell I was doing. I look at it now, and think, \u201cI was so lucky to be thrown into that.\u201d Because I didn\u2019t have a clue what I was doing or where I was going. I was just very lucky to be given great dialogue by Eleanor and great direction by Frank. He was doing a film that was breaking ground for the first time in America. It had a very violent rape scene, similar to The Virgin Spring by [Ingmar] Bergman, which he had seen. The film had been lost for 40 years, and it\u2019s finally going to be coming back out, on Blu-ray.<\/p>\n<p>Deadman\u2019s Curve\u00a0(1978)\u2014\u201dDean Torrence\u201d<\/p>\n<p>BD: There was this old cowboy stuntman named Richard Farnsworth who went on to become Richard Farnsworth the great actor. But he was in Ulzana\u2019s Raid, [which I did] when I was a kid, and he said, \u201cI\u2019ve got a son that\u2019d be a good stuntman double for you. His name\u2019s Diamond.\u201d So Diamond actually does all the skateboard stuff in Deadman\u2019s Curve.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>AVC: Were you a Jan and Dean fan going in?<\/p>\n<p>BD: Yes, but it was interesting, because I knew their music, but then Jan [Berry] had this horrible accident at Dead Man\u2019s Curve, right around Sunset, which used to be a really horrible place. But they had written the song about it before his accident!<\/p>\n<p>Spies Like Us\u00a0(1985)\u2014\u201dMr. Ruby\u201d<\/p>\n<p>BD: I knew John Landis from when he was a gaffer. He was working on some Clint Eastwood movie [Kelly\u2019s Heroes] in Yugoslavia, back when it still was Yugoslavia. But Spies Like Us was fun because it was all over the world. I got to spend months in London, being treated like royalty in a hotel. I was lucky to get into a big picture like that. And Dan [Aykroyd] and Chevy [Chase], it\u2019s always wonderful to be playing straight men with them. Steve Forrest and I had a wonderful time, and William Prince. We were always in the dugout\u2014a place called W.A.M.P., I think\u2014ruling the world.<\/p>\n<p>AVC: There were a lot of fun cameos. I always think of B.B. King.<\/p>\n<p>BD: That was a wonderful day, because I worked with B.B. King, I worked with one of the Coen brothers, I worked with all kinds of actors who would just come in to do bit parts, which is what John Landis did. He\u2019d have Costa-Gavras be an extra! That was amazing. And Joel and Ethan Coen, well, it was just Joel, but they hadn\u2019t made a film yet, and Landis said, \u201cI just saw the rough cut [of Blood Simple], and these guys are scary, they\u2019re so damned good.\u201d And it ended up being the truth!<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s My Party\u00a0(1996)\u2014\u201dRodney Bingham\u201d<\/p>\n<p>BD: Randal Kleiser and I used to run against each other in high school track back in Pennsylvania. And when he came out to USC, he was roommates with George Lucas. He was making Freiheit\u00a0as Lucas\u2019 student film, then he wrote a student film that I did with Jeanette Nolan and Barbara Rush called Peege, which is now in the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.loc.gov\/item\/prn-07-254\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Library Of Congress<\/a>. It\u2019s a wonderful little short, if you ever get a chance to see it, about the last visit he had with his grandmother. That\u2019s how I got to know Randal, so Randal and I have been friends for 60 years! He said, \u201cC\u2019mon, I\u2019m getting all my friends together to do this film,\u201d and he\u2019d written a script. And I said, \u201cWell, you\u2019ll never get this made, but you should do it.\u201d And he damned well did! It\u2019s a very personal, autobiographical film about Randal\u2019s life.<\/p>\n<p>X-Men (2000) \/ X2: X-Men United (2003)\u2014\u201dSenator Kelly\u201d<\/p>\n<p>BD: I\u2019m sort of melted already by the end of X-Men, so I end up being Mystique in X2. I had to walk with my knees together. [Laughs.] But, yeah, those films, it was just a kick. I had worked on Apt Pupil with Bryan Singer, so I got cast as Senator Kelly, and it was the beginning of a snowball that\u2019s been rolling downhill ever since.<\/p>\n<p>AVC: One reader who suggested that I ask you about your X-Men experience specifically said, \u201cEvery time I see him, I imagine his face turning into water.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>BD: Yes! Well, I told Bryan, \u201cListen, man, just have one shot of me rolling down a drain. Water rolling down a drain. Because I can come back anytime! And he said, \u201cNo, the machine has to work. You have to die.\u201d I said, \u201cIt\u2019s a comic book movie! What are you talking about?\u201d [Laughs.] I never got that shot of rolling down the drain. Otherwise I\u2019d still be working!<\/p>\n<p>Lords Of Salem (2012)\u2014\u201dFrancis Matthias\u201d<\/p>\n<p>BD: I\u2019ve always been a fan of Rob Zombie. He\u2019s one of the most outrageous people I know. And wonderful! Shooting the film was a joy. I got beaten to death by Dee Wallace with a rubber frying pan, which was great, because Dee\u2019s played my wife I can\u2019t tell you how many times. We just did another movie called The Godmother that we shot in Las Cruces that hopefully will be coming out soon.<\/p>\n<p>The Strawberry Statement\u00a0(1970)\u2014\u201dSimon\u201d<\/p>\n<p>BD: That was my first Hollywood movie. I had just done Last Summer, and I had to come out to audition. I was about to do Ah, Wilderness for Circle In The Square, and I had an opportunity to go to Hollywood to audition for this part, and my agent at the time gave me the money to go. My agent couldn\u2019t meet me, because he was burying his client, Sharon Tate. That\u2019s how long ago that was. But that was my first Hollywood film: I fell in love with Kim Darby, we ended up in San Francisco, I had all this attention, I thought I was the king of the world. I remember the AD turned around and said, \u201cYou kids are so lucky.\u201d I thought, \u201cWell, I don\u2019t know about that.\u201d But we were.<\/p>\n<p>AVC: That movie has a great soundtrack.<\/p>\n<p>BD: The best soundtrack ever! Because Mike Curb was head of music there at MGM Records, all the people that were just taking off were under contract there, so you\u2019ve got Joni Mitchell, Crosby, Stills &amp; Nash, Country Joe And The Fish, Neil Young, Buffy St. Marie. All their songs are in the film, and it\u2019s the best soundtrack of any movie I\u2019ve ever made, out of 360 of \u2019em. It is the best album, if you can get it!<\/p>\n<p>The Lathe Of Heaven\u00a0(1980)\u2014\u201dGeorge Orr\u201d<\/p>\n<p>BD: That was by Ursula K. Le Guin, who was the grande dame of science fiction, or as she would call it, speculative fiction. It was a great piece for public television with a shoestring budget. I tried to make it again years later but got aced out of that. But I got to see Ursula years later up in Toronto, because Hume Cronyn, he was a mentor, the woman he was with at the time [Susan Cooper] was good friends with Ursula. So Ursula and I reconnected after many years.<\/p>\n<p>Short Cuts\u00a0(1993)\u2014\u201dHoward Finnigan\u201d<\/p>\n<p>BD: With Robert Altman! This is a funny thing: I was with a big agency, six guys in my trailer, because I had been nominated [for an Oscar] with Longtime Companion. And then I lost, and I couldn\u2019t get one of \u2019em on the phone. But in the meantime, there was one of these parties where I got to meet Robert Altman, and I said, \u201cI saw you on the street one time, but you looked so angry, I didn\u2019t want to come up and interrupt you. But I would do anything\u2014I\u2019d read the phone book for free\u2014for you.\u201d So the next day I got a call from one of these agents: \u201cWe\u2019ve been working on this film called Short Cuts, and we\u2019ve gotten you an audition with Mr. Altman!\u201d So I go down to his house, and he\u2019s in his bathrobe when he opens the door, and he says, \u201cYou ever make bread?\u201d I said, \u201cNo.\u201d He said, \u201cWell, I\u2019m doing that right now!\u201d So I walk in, and he said, \u201cSo I\u2019m doing Short Cuts, and I\u2019ve got this part, and Jeff Daniels fell out. You want to do it?\u201d I said, \u201cYeah!\u201d He said, \u201cDon\u2019t you want to read the script or anything?\u201d I said, \u201cNo!\u201d He said, \u201cOkay, well, let me call Andie [MacDowell], because I told her I\u2019d let her know who was playing the part. But if it\u2019s okay with her\u2026\u201d And it was! So there you go, that\u2019s how I auditioned for Robert Altman.<\/p>\n<p>AVC: That pretty much parallels just about every Altman audition story I\u2019ve ever heard.<\/p>\n<p>BD: Oh, yeah. He said, \u201cI want you to play a newscaster badly.\u201d Because I was on the television all through the other episodes. The greatest cast that ever lived is in that movie, and I play in the background as a newscaster. He says, \u201cI want you to be like one of those local news guys that doesn\u2019t really do the news. So just read the script badly.\u201d So we go to work, and I figure the way to do that is to emphasize every word as much as you did the word before it, because that\u2019s the way they seem to talk.<\/p>\n<p>So I was doing that, and I was working with Jerry Dunphy, who was a local guy in L.A., and we finished by noon. We\u2019re driving away, and we\u2019re all sitting in the car, and I say, \u201cI think he\u2019s gonna fire me.\u201d So I said to [Altman], \u201cDid you want something else?\u201d And he said, \u201cNo, you\u2019re the actor. It\u2019s fine. You\u2019re the actor. Do what you want!\u201d That was my intro to Altman. There was nobody who loved actors more than him. He just loved them. But he was upset that I didn\u2019t go to the rushes. Because it was a wine and cheese party every night to watch the rushes, and I hate watching myself. So he thought, \u201cOkay, be a stuck-up snob, then!\u201d [Laughs.]\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Longtime Companion\u00a0(1989)\u2014\u201dDavid\u201d<\/p>\n<p>BD: That was a script by Craig Lucas, directed by Norman Ren\u00e9, which was during the height of the holocaust of the AIDS epidemic. And I auditioned for them in New York and got the part, and I never thought anybody would ever see it.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>But we\u2019re in the middle of shooting in an apartment, and the people who owned the apartment found out it was about AIDS, and they went crazy, and they were trying to throw us out. And it was the middle of the night, and they were trying to find the producer to give the people another grand. And I look down on Riverside Drive, and in the middle of July it\u2019s all snowed in, and there are 40 buses and trucks all next to this snow, with 400 extras in \u201940s costumes. So I walk down there while they\u2019re trying to work this out, and I see Ron Silver and Paul Mazursky, two friends of mine, sitting on chairs at three in the morning. And I say, \u201cGod, if I could just get an opportunity to be in a big film and get paid for once in my life and have a trailer, it would be amazing.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>A year later, I\u2019m nominated for an Oscar for Longtime Companion, and I\u2019m sitting at the Academy Awards, and I feel a tap on my shoulder, and it\u2019s Ron Silver. He said, \u201cThe movie was Enemies. It lasted a weekend. Be careful what you wish for.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Willard\u00a0(1971)\u2014\u201dWillard Stiles\u201d<\/p>\n<p>BD: I walked onto the Paramount lot, auditioned, did the scene for Danny Mann and the producer, and they said, \u201cOkay, that\u2019s good, that\u2019s good, but you gotta meet your co-star. You gotta see if you get along with your co-star.\u201d So they take me out to Van Nuys, to this little house with a garage in the back. And a guy named Moe DiSesso opens it up, and he\u2019s got 600 rats, all refrigerated in cages there. And they take one out the size of a bunny and put it on my shoulder, and the rat looks at me, and I just tickle it, and I said, \u201cHow ya doin\u2019?\u201d And they said, \u201cYou got the job, kid.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>AVC: Did you have any idea what kind of impact that would have on your career?<\/p>\n<p>BD: No idea. I remember a manager saying, \u201cWho\u2019s gonna go see a movie about rats, for god\u2019s sake?\u201d [Laughs.] It was great working with Ernie. I asked Ernie Borgnine what\u2019s the best acting advice he could give me, and he said, \u201cNever go to bed angry at your wife. If you gotta stay up \u2019til three, if you gotta stay up for three days straight, work it out. But never go to bed angry with your wife.\u201d I said, \u201cThat\u2019s great.\u201d He had the worst day when a rat ran up his pant leg. He didn\u2019t love that.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>AVC: Did you have any ill experiences with your co-star?<\/p>\n<p>BD: No, and I had 600 of them! They just saved the shot of me being eaten alive for the last shot of the movie, in case I did have one. [Laughs.] There were no special effects back then. It was, \u201cLie down on the floor, we\u2019ll put chicken wire around you.\u201d Then they smeared it with peanut butter, they dumped 600 rats on the kid, and then shot the end. And they\u2019re, like, \u201cIf we get it, we get it. If he gets bitten or dies or something, we can still make the movie!\u201d<\/p>\n<p>AVC: Did you have any residual rat PTSD?<\/p>\n<p>BD: No, it didn\u2019t bother me. The frustrating part was that because there was no CGI and no special effects or anything, we\u2019d do 30 takes getting a rat to run into a briefcase. You want them to run up the steps? You gotta build steps that are upside down and just dump \u2019em down the steps, so when they all fall down, it looks like they\u2019re running up! It was all stuff like that. And a lot of it was improvised, too. I\u2019d have a wheelbarrow full of rats, and I\u2019d just improvise with them. One would hang on my thumb, and I\u2019d be, like, \u201cC\u2019mon, you guys are worse than rabbits!\u201d We improvised an awful lot of that stuff.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>High Risk\u00a0(1981)\u2014\u201dDan\u201d<br \/>\nKiss My Grits\u00a0(1982)\u2014\u201dDolin T. Pike\u201d<\/p>\n<p>AVC: On my list of projects to ask you about, Kiss My Grits is probably the most obscure. I\u2019ve never even seen it, and it doesn\u2019t appear to be streaming anywhere.<\/p>\n<p>BD: It\u2019s funny that you\u2019d bring something like that up, because how I got that film, that\u2019s a story in and of itself! I got that job because I was doing another film called High Risk, and we\u2019re in the middle of Palenque in the jungle and the Mayan ruins, and I\u2019m with Jim Brolin, and we\u2019re hogtied. And Anthony Quinn comes in for his two weeks, and he comes in, and he takes over, he\u2019s doing this and that and everything else, and everybody\u2019s just standing in the way. And he has 30 banditos with him, so he does what he wants! And I had an Angels baseball hat, and I lost it in the rapids that we got washed down. And I said to the director, \u201cPut it on one of the guy\u2019s heads, like he found my Angels hat. And then at the end, when we escape, I\u2019ll hit him over the head and get my hat back!\u201d And he said, \u201cOh, that\u2019s a good idea. Okay, we\u2019ll do that!\u201d<\/p>\n<p>So anyway, Quinn doesn\u2019t know this, and he comes down, and we\u2019re hogtied up, me and Brolin, and he\u2019s going on, doing this and that, and he\u2019s improvising. And he takes out a newspaper toward the end of the scene, and he looks at it, and he says, \u201cHey, gringos, you want to see something funny? The Indians beat the Yankees!\u201d [Cackles.] And I look up from my hogtie, and I say, \u201cHow\u2019d the Angels do?\u201d And he goes\u2026 [Long pause.] \u201cThey lost.\u201d And they say, \u201cCut!\u201d And he comes up to me, and he looks at me, and I think he\u2019s gonna kill me. And he says, \u201cI loved the way you took that scene from me, the way you dominated that. I got a picture I want you to do! You\u2019re playing this character named Dolan T. Pike.\u201d He produced [Kiss My Grits]! So that\u2019s a long, shaggy-dog story, but that\u2019s how I got that movie!<\/p>\n<p>Titanic II\u00a0(2010)\u2014\u201dJames Maine\u201d<\/p>\n<p>BD: Titanic II was two days that I got when I really needed the money. I was in a helicopter, and I taped all my lines on the dashboard and just read \u2019em off, and they said, \u201cOkay, here\u2019s a check, pay the rent.\u201d When you\u2019re a character actor, you\u2019re not gonna get rich, and it was just a pretty grim time. So I\u2019ve gotta say, that was not at the top of my list of great experiences in the film business.<\/p>\n<p>Seinfeld\u00a0(1996-1997)\u2014\u201dWyck Thayer\u201d<\/p>\n<p>BD: That was great! The best part of all of that was Michael Richards\u2019 girlfriend at the time, he split up with her three years later, and I married her! So she\u2019s been my wife for 20 years. And Jason [Alexander] has been a good friend. We did a play years later called Native Gardens that I did with Frances Fisher that he directed. But [Seinfeld] was a blast! When I asked Jerry, \u201cDo I really have to audition for this?\u201d he said, \u201cWell, we\u2019re all adults here\u2026\u201d [Laughs.]\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Grace Of My Heart\u00a0(1996)\u2014\u201dJohn Murray\u201d<\/p>\n<p>BD: Illeana [Douglas] has been a friend over the years, and, y\u2019know, it\u2019s one of those ones I regret. I wish I would\u2019ve really gone for the bone more in the love scenes. [Laughs.] I wish I would\u2019ve been more aggressive. I think it would\u2019ve made my character more interesting than to make him as passive as I played him. I think if he were a more aggressive lover, it would\u2019ve made the film work better\u2026for my part, anyway!<\/p>\n<p>Short Eyes\u00a0(1977)\u2014\u201dClark Davis\u201d<\/p>\n<p>BD: That was tough. That was a hard one. I had seen the play and figured, \u201cI\u2019ve got to do this, because this is the most challenging thing I can possibly think to do.\u201d I\u2019ve got a 15-minute monologue in the middle of that film that stops everything dead, and it\u2019s the most flesh-crawling monologue. \u201cShort Eyes\u201d is a child molester! And it was written by Miguel Pi\u00f1ero while they were all in prison at Ossining, and Joe Papp played it, and it won the Obie. And they all died within five years of that period of time, because it was a precarious lifestyle. So we\u2019re making a film of that, and we\u2019re shooting in the Tombs, which is a nightmare of a place downtown that they\u2019ve since rebuilt. It was one of the most challenging, difficult parts I ever played. And one of the most rewarding, by seeing what finally went into the can and what we made. It\u2019s unfortunate, because nobody has seen it. But you never know when that\u2019s gonna happen. The producer died or something, and it just disappeared. But it was kind of the grandfather of what became Oz, because the first AD on that film became the producer of that show!<\/p>\n<p>The Wave\u00a0(1981)\u2014\u201dBen Ross\u201d<\/p>\n<p>BD: That\u2019s the greatest script that should be done now, and everybody should see it, and it should be required that children see it in high school. It\u2019s about a teacher who can\u2019t explain the Holocaust to his students. They don\u2019t understand how those German people could\u2019ve done that. So he starts an experiment in his class, and he starts working with them, and he says, \u201cOkay, we\u2019re gonna learn strength through discipline. Okay? Now we\u2019re gonna learn strength through unity, just this special little group called the Wave. And now we\u2019re gonna have strength through action.\u201d And within a week he has kids beating each other up at their lockers, and the parents are getting crazy, and he says, \u201cJust give me two weeks.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>And they do. And he turns them into Wave members, and only they are allowed to be part of that group, and they go in, and they lock the doors, and they all sit there, and he says, \u201cNow, the real leader of the Wave movement is going to come forward, and we can do this in the schools, we can do it in the colleges, we can do it in the factories, we can do it in our country, we can do it in politics! Our leader will expose himself tonight!\u201d And they all sit there with their doors locked, with their arm badges and their banners, and they sit there, and they say, \u201cThere\u2019s no leader, is there?\u201d And he says, \u201cYes, there is. Here he is.\u201d And it\u2019s Hitler. He\u2019s leading the Hitler Youth. And he says, \u201cIt\u2019s not \u2018those people,\u2019 it\u2019s us. Everybody will be blindly led by a leader that tells them that they\u2019re better than everyone else.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>AVC: I wish that wasn\u2019t something that people needed to see today, but\u2026<\/p>\n<p>BD: But it is.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"Welcome to\u00a0Random Roles, wherein we talk to actors about the characters who defined their careers. 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