{"id":891410,"date":"2026-10-23T01:20:31","date_gmt":"2026-10-23T01:20:31","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/891410\/"},"modified":"2026-10-23T01:20:31","modified_gmt":"2026-10-23T01:20:31","slug":"sure-lets-smoosh-spacex-and-tesla-together-who-cares","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.newsbeep.com\/us\/891410\/","title":{"rendered":"Sure, let\u2019s smoosh SpaceX and Tesla together, who cares"},"content":{"rendered":"

Oh sure, SpaceX\u2019s credit risk is pretty high<\/a> because it\u2019s about to borrow another $40 billion to spend on Nvidia chips<\/a>, but who cares about that? SpaceX and Tesla have formed special committees to discuss a merger!<\/p>\n

The degree to which you find this merger compelling likely has to do with the degree to which you believe Elon Musk about wanting to go to Mars, or \u201cspread the light of consciousness,\u201d as he put it in this week\u2019s SpaceX earnings call (and earlier S-1). Now, a reasonably informed person knows that we don\u2019t have the technology \u2014 or, frankly, even the raw information to build the technology \u2014 in order to support human life in space. So that means robots. But a lag between Earth and the Moon or Mars makes for difficulty in controlling the robots. So having artificially intelligent robots who can make decisions on their own with minimal supervision from Earth is the next sci-fi logic step.<\/p>\n

\u201cThere\u2019s a lot to be gained from cooperating on developing superintelligence software.\u201d<\/p>\n

If you believe Musk\u2019s story, the technology we are talking about is being developed through self-driving cars (Tesla), LLMs (SpaceX), and humanoid robots (Tesla), all of which require data centers (SpaceX). Conveniently, we have just had earnings for both companies. On the other hand, if you view Mars as a useful fiction Musk uses to explain his antics in public, well, there\u2019s a lot of money and a lot of control Musk gets from the merger.<\/p>\n

Musk said on the recent SpaceX earnings call that \u201cthere\u2019s a lot of merit to combining\u201d SpaceX and Tesla. Why? \u201cThere\u2019s a lot to be gained from cooperating on developing superintelligence software.\u201d But artificial intelligence \u2014 ah, excuse me, super intelligence software isn\u2019t the business SpaceX is really in right now.<\/a> In its Q3 earnings on Tuesday, SpaceX reported $7.56 billion in revenue from the artificial intelligence \u2014 sorry, sorry, super intelligence division. The subcategory \u201cSI solutions & infrastructure revenues\u201d \u2014 which I think is Grok, Cursor, and the neocloud business wrapped together \u2014 jumped to $7 billion, or more than three times what it was last quarter. Now some of this was getting Cursor stapled on<\/a>, which added $608 million in revenue. Most of the rest of that $7 billion was likely renting out compute to Anthropic and Google; Grok is probably contributing less, says Gil Luria, an analyst at DA Davidson.<\/p>\n

At first blush, this may look comparable to the revenue of a company like Anthropic, whose leaked S-1<\/a> shows the company had $16.3 billion in revenue in the first half of this year from its frontier models. But SpaceX\u2019s AI business looks more like CoreWeave<\/a> than Anthropic. While we are told in the press release there was \u201cincreased Grok adoption across enterprise customers and consumers,\u201d that number wasn\u2019t broken out from bare-metal revenue. And if Musk wanted to brag about it, he would.<\/p>\n

As for Tesla, which released Q3 results on Wednesday, its earnings sucked \u2014 a second consecutive quarter of declining profits. That\u2019s because Musk is apparently not especially interested in normal cars anymore. Instead, Tesla is focusing on robots and, I guess, self-driving taxis. (There was also a Roadster hopping car demo recently<\/a>, but that\u2019s not going into production for a couple years, it\u2019s very expensive, and Tesla cannot guarantee it will be delivered<\/a>.) Musk did not elaborate on his comments about the merger on the Tesla call.<\/p>\n

SpaceX and Tesla have some tie-ups already; SpaceX, for instance, bought $131 million<\/a> of the low-selling Cybertrucks from Tesla. It has, in the past, held Tesla bonds. More crucially, the companies have also announced two AI \u2014 fuck it, we\u2019re just sticking with AI \u2014 projects together: Terafab and Macrohard.<\/p>\n

Terafab is the chip-making venture that Musk intends to build in Texas<\/a> and run to supply himself with chips; Intel is partnered, kinda, with Musk to develop the technology. Macrohard is, uh, an AI project that lets people simulate software already made by Microsoft<\/a>. At least, I think that\u2019s what it\u2019s supposed to be. Typing the name of the latter makes me pray for the asteroid to hit us all right now, so perhaps it\u2019s fortunate that we haven\u2019t heard much about it since the announcement in March.<\/p>\n

\u201cMusk has a history of setting timelines that his \u200bcompanies have missed,\u201d Reuters notes, with a degree of what I can only describe as wry understatement<\/p>\n

SpaceX\u2019s S-1<\/a> from May said that Terafab and Microhard \u201care in the very early stages, as a result of which we and Tesla have not finalized a variety of details relating to our collaboration, including, but not limited to, financial terms, intellectual property rights, and the ultimate term of our collaboration.\u201d As of earlier this month, Intel\u2019s CEO said the company remained committed to the partnership<\/a>, but it\u2019s not obligated to remain part of Terafab and the S-1 says there may never be a definitive agreement. Intel\u2019s Thomas Hannaford didn\u2019t immediately respond to my emails asking if anything had been signed in the interim.<\/p>\n

On this week\u2019s call with SpaceX investors, Musk claimed the Terafab will reach volume production in the second half of 2028<\/a>. He also said the company will have its first test chip from the facility in May or June 2027. \u201cMusk has a history of setting timelines that his \u200bcompanies have missed,\u201d Reuters notes, with a degree of what I can only describe as wry understatement. When an analyst on the call asked if Musk had placed orders for machines needed to make cutting-edge equipment, Musk did not answer.<\/p>\n

Companies often are doing more privately than they announce publicly, so I do not view the S-1 filing as fully definitive. But Macrohard isn\u2019t mentioned in the last 10Q. Neither is Terafab.<\/p>\n

The Matt Levine case for the SpaceX-Tesla merger<\/p>\n

Musk is going to pound the table about the Moon, Mars, \u201cand beyond,\u201d and a significant chunk of his fan base is very into this. But there are maybe some boring financial reasons shareholders may have an interest.<\/p>\n

Let\u2019s say you are constitutionally very different from me, and much richer, and for this reason you own a number of shares in Tesla. You\u2019re a big believer in Elon Musk \u2014 obviously \u2014 but you notice that the man has an attention span of a squirrel on cocaine. He\u2019s on X basically constantly and often racistly. He keeps showing up at the White House to do stuff that pisses off would-be Tesla customers. Then he publicly feuds with the president. Sometimes he\u2019s very excited about rockets, and sometimes he\u2019s very excited about Dogecoin and sometimes he\u2019s really into Grok and sometimes he thinks about cars. But you notice that one way or the other he\u2019s been thinking about cars a lot less lately.<\/p>\n

Basically all you have to do is say \u201cNvidia\u201d and someone will give you a fuckton of money<\/p>\n

Since he seems to be focused \u2014 insofar as he can be said to focus \u2014 on AI, you notice some pretty big conflicts of interest. Musk\u2019s companies \u201call need the same scarce Nvidia chips to power their AI, for instance,\u201d notes Matt Levine<\/a>, a longtime Musk observer<\/a>. But if you combine the companies, well, maybe you build the best general-purpose AI. And then? \u201cIf you build the best general-purpose AI model, maybe it can drive the cars and operate the robots and upload people\u2019s brains and serve right-wing takes on Twitter.\u201d<\/p>\n

Also, there\u2019s a massive AI infrastructure buildout happening, and so basically all you have to do is say \u201cNvidia\u201d and someone will give you a fuckton of money. The merger puts all the AI projects in one pile, plus also some cars and rockets and satellites I guess. \u201c\u2018Give us $100 billion to build data centers in space, but if for some reason we don\u2019t build data centers in space you can repossess our car factories and data centers on earth\u2019 is a good pitch to credit investors,\u201d Levine writes.<\/p>\n

Musk also has a history \u2014 not always successful<\/a> \u2014 of building physical infrastructure. This is, at least from my point of view, a better bet when it comes to building data centers than some<\/a> Bitcoin miners<\/a> who pivoted<\/a>. \u201cIf Elon builds at the rate he talked about, he will have lots of extra capacity and be able to sell much of it,\u201d says Luria.<\/p>\n

From this point of view, obviously SpaceX and Tesla should merge, Levine writes:<\/p>\n

It\u2019s crazy that they are separate companies! One guy runs two gigantic physical AI companies with huge overlaps! What a nightmare of conflicts of interest and red tape! Just merge them, so that the one guy can come into the office each day with a simple mandate: Make the choices that maximize overall value for the giant AI complex, and for the shareholders of that complex. If some chips or engineers or drills or whatever should be working on robots, work on the robots; if they should be working on data centers, work on the data centers. The shareholders have come this far; surely they trust Musk to make those decisions. It\u2019s just that right now, working on the robots is good for Tesla and bad for SpaceX; working on the data centers is bad for Tesla and good for SpaceX. Musk can\u2019t put both of their interests first. There\u2019s an easy fix.<\/p>\n

It\u2019s not exactly that simple, of course. The details of the deal matter; a lot of people are assuming a stock-for-stock merger. (\u201cI assume the acquirer would be SpaceX, in part because it has a bigger market capitalization but mostly because of Musk\u2019s greater control there,\u201d Levine writes.) So does the regulatory environment. The case that SpaceX and Tesla should combine due to AI is also kind of an antitrust reason they shouldn\u2019t?<\/p>\n

The current regulatory environment is, in large part due to Musk\u2019s meddling via his DOGE cronies, let\u2019s say lax<\/a>. Donald Trump, the current president, has two more years left in his term. Also, the markets have started getting waves of nervousness around AI. Earlier this summer, there was the Situational Awareness thing<\/a>, and then there was the more recent CoreWeave thing<\/a>, and, well, investor sentiment may be changing. That means \u201cthere\u2019s a push to announce a deal by the first half of 2027<\/a> so that it closes during this administration,\u201d Bloomberg writes, attributing this to \u201cpeople who are familiar with the matter.\u201d<\/p>\n

Musk has more control at SpaceX than he does at Tesla. His voting power is above 50 percent, because he owns special supervoting shares. He is the CEO, CTO, and chairman of the board. Shareholders are very limited in how they can legally challenge that power. The filing puts it this way: \u201cThis will limit or preclude your ability to influence corporate matters and the election of our directors.\u201d<\/p>\n

At Tesla, however, Musk only has about 20 percent of the vote. (\u201cOnly!\u201d) So in a stock-for-stock merger, where SpaceX is the acquirer, Musk suddenly has voting control of the whole enchilada. \u201cHe gets voting control of Tesla in the only way he can,\u201d says Ann Lipton, a professor at the University of Colorado Boulder\u2019s law school. \u201cHe can\u2019t change it to a dual-class entity now that it\u2019s publicly traded. This is the only way to do it.\u201d<\/p>\n

If SpaceX pays $2 trillion or more for Tesla, Musk gets a payout<\/p>\n

Both companies are based in Texas, which makes it very difficult for shareholders to sue, says Lipton. \u201cThe chances of a shareholder being able to sue on the Tesla or SpaceX side are vanishingly small because Texas has erected so many barriers to shareholder litigation.\u201d So there\u2019s that risk gone.<\/p>\n

Leave aside the more complicated issues of national security (for SpaceX) and antitrust. At a federal level, securities laws are largely \u201cDid you disclose it?\u201d notes Lipton. So the SEC, or what remains of it, will want to see that everything is disclosed to shareholders before the vote. As long as the disclosures are accurate, that\u2019s that. At the state level, there may be some issues \u2014 it\u2019s a breach of fiduciary duty to create an unfair transaction as a result of conflicts of interest \u2014 but Shari Redstone did merge Paramount and CBS<\/a>, so it\u2019s not impossible.<\/p>\n

What does Musk get from this merger? Well, control, a thing he historically loves most of all. Potentially also, the combination adds $110 billion to his net worth<\/a>, according to Bloomberg. More interesting, however, is how the merger interacts with Musk\u2019s massive Tesla compensation package<\/a>. If there\u2019s a legal change of control \u2014 for instance, because SpaceX buys Tesla \u2014 the operational milestones in Musk\u2019s enormous pay package fall away.<\/p>\n

What matters then is Tesla\u2019s valuation. If SpaceX pays $2 trillion or more, Musk gets a payout. At $2 trillion, Musk gets $6 billion of shares. He also gets accelerated vesting of shares from his 2018 pay package \u2014 which would otherwise have vested in 2028. The change of control also means he can sell them sooner.<\/p>\n

Is that good for SpaceX? Assuming we wind up at or around the $2 trillion figure, we\u2019re looking at basically a merger of equals \u2014 which means current SpaceX shareholders get diluted all to hell. Worse, Tesla\u2019s business is stagnating, and its AI ambitions are expensive. \u201cIt\u2019s likely that SpaceX and Tesla combined will spend close to a staggering $50 billion on capex in Q4, and their businesses won\u2019t come close to covering that number,\u201d writes Shawn Tully in Fortune<\/a>.<\/p>\n

So on a numbers basis, I kind of think no, not really, not that good for SpaceX. But none of Musk\u2019s businesses are about numbers in the end \u2014 they are, to some extent, about how much you believe in Elon Musk. That\u2019s what the Tesla valuation versus regular automakers<\/a> was about in the first place. So sure, fine, slap them together and see what happens. The people who are buying what Musk\u2019s selling, at this point, surely know what they signed up for.<\/p>\n

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